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DU, you keep expecting that readers will accept the implication that Joseph Smith actually received "a testimony from God".

Why not, he said he did, I believe you when you say you know Jesus is Christ.

We DON'T! And those of us that have taken your so-called "test" did not receive a testimony that the BOM is true or that Smith was a Prophet, rather, the message was the opposite.

Really, Please share your story for all to see.

Did you read the whole Book of Mormon?

Did you pray in faith?

How exactly was the negative answer conveyed?

If this was true you would be shouting for others to try it too.

I have been saying this so long with out a peep from you that I am truly Shocked that now all of the sudden you want to come forward and share your "Negative Experience", without further details, I will just have to assume you decided I was "Getting away with "Quoting the Bible" and you would say this to "shut me up". It didn't work and it won't work for I know that I have received a positive answer from God and since god is not skitziod, he will give the same answer to all who ask.

I am calling you out, start asking others to read and pray so they can duplicate your "Negative answer" experience or admit that you didn't have one.

Put up or shut up time.

Everybody want to share their positive experience, or just say that you had one positive or negative?

Just so everybody will know what the Sam hill I am talking about, this is a section from my web page here at Free Republic.

I have been posting this method for at least a month, and now finally the Anti's realizing this is poison to them are starting to say they had "negative answers" from God, I caught one freeper earlier with two different versions of his story that did not match (google is your friend) and he dropped like a stone in water from the discussion we were having.

Please read the following ands feel free to link my page in your posts, the link code is: <a href="http://www.freerepublic.com/~delphiuser/#The_Test">Put our religion to "<b>The Test</b>"</a>

Cut and paste to your heart's content.

Put our religion to "The Test

Those of us who are Mormon and who do have faith invite all to investigate our church, put us to the test, get a Book of Mormon, and cut through all the yea and nay arguments with a simple prayer, we invite all unto Jesus Christ our master and we are not afraid of any seeker asking questions. Our detractors who tell the truth in a lying way will always discover that they have only caused people to ask us questions, the "When did you stop beating your wife" style of questions, the "Deep Doctrine" questions only suffice to attract people to us, so while I worry for their souls, I do not worry that they will harm my church.

For any who want to actually know if the church is true, there is a simple formula, Get a Book of Mormon (BOM) for free!, or Read it online.

Compare the feelings in your soul with those that happen when you Read the Holy Bible, don't have a Bible? We will give you one of those for free too! (Contrary to what the Anti's will tell you, we do indeed read the Bible, it's part of the church cannon, but that does not fit their template for us.)

Once you have both, and have read both, here is the tricky part. Pray, Yep, that's it pray. Don't take my word, don't take some Pajama clad Anti's word, heck, don't take your ministers word, when it comes to God, he invites every one to come and ask him "And I say unto you, Ask, and it shall be given you; seek, and ye shall find; knock, and it shall be opened unto you" Sound familiar? How about this one "If any of you lack wisdom, let him ask of God, that giveth to all men liberally, and upbraideth not; and it shall be given him." That is the one that started the Mormon church, Joseph Smith asked and was given, in fulfillment of scripture.

There will be many anti's here who will say all manner of things about Joseph smith, which can be refuted by actually sifting the truth from the lies. The simple truth is easily available by any who read the BOM and pray about it, for if God tells you the BOM is true what further use is argument? IMHO, When God speaks, the discussion ends. There are many non christians who attack Jesus, many who accuse him also of despicable things, they have an agenda which is not of God so it is with those who would attack another's faith as the anti's here do with ours.

Again, if you are interested in knowing for yourself, Get a book of Mormon, Get a bible ask in faith and God will answer you. There will be some anti's who will tell you not to bother, for they have prayed for you, do not be deceived, for There they cry, but none giveth answer, because of the pride of evil men. Seek out your own answer from God for it is your Command John 4:1 Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.

You have an amazing opportunity, try the spirits, seek, Ask, God will answer you, be bold but ask in faith. I have received such an answer and when the God of Abraham, and of Isaac and of Jacob speaks to your soul you will indeed know that the answer is of him and none shall have power over you if you will but heed the still small voice of the Spirit of God and come unto him.

I know the Anti's will tell you that Satan will answer a prayer to God, ask them for a scripture that says this is possible.

They will tell you we are not telling the truth, fine, don't believe us, or them ask God.

They will tell you we have already been proven wrong, can you risk it? What if they are wrong, what if they are deceiving you? would you rather trust in the arm of flesh, or of God?

Up until now, my links have all been to the Bible, or to places to ask for scriptures, try the spirit of this scripture from the Book of Mormon and see if it is not of the same spirit as the Bible: 2 Nephi 32:8 And now, my beloved brethren, I perceive that ye ponder still in your hearts; and it grieveth me that I must speak concerning this thing. For if ye would hearken unto the Spirit which teacheth a man to pray ye would know that ye must pray; for the evil spirit teacheth not a man to pray, but teacheth him that he must not pray.

Friends, brethren, beware of those who teach that God will not answer a sincere prayer of the heart. seek God. Seek to good continually, Do good to those who persecute you and despitefully use you. In the end you will in no wise lose your reward for seeking to follow the scriptures.

Amen.

Thanks for your time and support on FR.

I'll share my experience with the Book of Mormon. Yes, I have tested Moroni 10:3-7

3 Behold, I would exhort you that when ye shall read these things, if it be wisdom in God that ye should read them, that ye would remember how merciful the Lord hath been unto the children of men, from the creation of Adam even down until the time that ye shall receive these things, and ponder it in your hearts.
4 And when ye shall receive these things, I would exhort you that ye would ask God, the Eternal Father, in the name of Christ, if these things are not true; and if ye shall ask with a sincere heart, with real intent, having faith in Christ, he will manifest the truth of it unto you, by the power of the Holy Ghost.
5 And by the power of the Holy Ghost ye may know the truth of all things.
6 And whatsoever thing is good is just and true; wherefore, nothing that is good denieth the Christ, but acknowledgeth that he is.
7 And ye may know that he is, by the power of the Holy Ghost; wherefore I would exhort you that ye deny not the power of God; for he worketh by power, according to the faith of the children of men, the same today and tomorrow, and forever.

I was born into an LDS family. My father's lineage in the LDS church goes back to the days of Joseph Smith. My mother is a convert to the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints, she was baptized when she was 15 years old (after searching for a year for a church that she felt was right.) I was raised a believer in the LDS church. I know I lived on my parents testimonies and other family members testimonies until my mid-twenties when I truly tested Moroni and the promise. I know the gospel is true. I know that Joseph Smith is a prophet of God and saw Heavenly Father and His Son Jesus Christ. I believe in the restored gospel in these latter days. I believe in latter-day revelation and modern prophets. I have studied these things out in my mind and have prayed about them. And I have received the answer from the whisperings of the Spirit. I cannot deny that which I know is true.

Response to 1193: As DU puts it so gracefully, "I am calling you out, start asking others to read and pray so they can duplicate your "Negative answer" experience or admit that you didn't have one.
Put up or shut up time.

I have posted here before that after much study, prayer and fasting, I received a message from the Holy Spirit that the Book of Mormon was not a message from God, that Joseph Smith's "revelation" was not from the spirit of God, and that Christ is the Savior of mankind. That Christ is with me always, and that HE is the only way to salvation through HIS grace, not through empty works or rituals.

This is MY testimony to all.

I invite all Christians to praise Him here, but I don't believe it necessary to "defend" your faith against a challenge from those who are mislead. If any care to take up the challenge of reading the Book of Mormon and asking God its truth, please do so. But be aware that if you receive a message that it is NOT true, you will be told by mormons that YOU failed in some way.