Indeed you did!
So; how does a person tell if it's GOD or not?
Posted on 11/14/2007 8:28:07 AM PST by fortcollins
And just which WAY is that?
Actually, I would rather that no one here be allowed to denigrate my church, and would be willing to give up the ability to denegate anti's.
A little CONTROL problem?
Actually; there is no problem.
You keep telling the truth about the origins of our churchs, and we'll do the same about yours.
Agreed?
Freudian slip?
Of course, you are right in this statement, but, as ever, are misdirecting.
The poster was NOT talking about 'heaven', but talking about THE GOOD STUFF, that only being a WORTHY LDS organization member, can get you.
| You Said: little passwords to pass on to people to get them past the angels etc and get into heaven? (Uh oh, somebody doesn't know their Bible very well, and surprise, it's not the Mormon!) Rev. 3:12-13 12 Him that overcometh will I make a pillar in the temple of my God, and he shall go no more out: and I will write upon him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God, which is new Jerusalem, which cometh down out of heaven from my God: and I will write upon him my new name. |
Him that overcometh will I make a pillar in the temple of my God, and he shall go no more out: and I will write upon him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God, which is new Jerusalem, which cometh down out of heaven from my God: and I will write upon him my new name.
Once again, a Mormon cannot or will not show the things the Lord has commanded them to do.
That's ok; other sure do!
That's ok; others sure do!
Indeed you did!
So; how does a person tell if it's GOD or not?
Sigh...
You KNOW that emotion beats logic with us.
Why do you persist?
--MormonDude(Getting bored with you guys...)
I've just HEARD that recently!
I wonder where??
1,357 posted on 11/30/2007 3:32:27 AM CST by DelphiUser
WoW!
You stay up LATE with this stuff!
1 Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.Please note that John did not say possessed people, nor did he say people. You cannot tell if I am bringing you a message from God just because I testify of Jesus, and I cannot tell if you are doing the same just by your testimony. It must be a spirit testifying to you for this test to work, and the Holy Spirit did testify to me.
2 Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God:
3 And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.
I’m not sure whether you’re just missing this or are purposely omitting this from your response. We’re taught very specifically to study, ponder, & then pray as found in BOM Moroni 10:3-5
“3 Behold, I would exhort you that when ye shall read these things, if it be wisdom in God that ye should read them, that ye would remember how merciful the Lord hath been unto the children of men, from the creation of Adam even down until the time that ye shall receive these things, and ponder it in your hearts.
4 And when ye shall receive these things, I would exhort you that ye would ask God, the Eternal Father, in the name of Christ, if these things are not true; and if ye shall ask with a sincere heart, with real intent, having faith in Christ, he will manifest the truth of it unto you, by the power of the Holy Ghost.
5 And by the power of the Holy Ghost ye may know the truth of all things. So, I agree w/ you that one can’t just rely on seeking guidance from Father w/o putting forth the effort in the first place. You should realize this from our posts”.
You state that our beliefs contradict the Bible. That’s your opinion, nothing else. I can respect that even though I find your opinion to be lacking. We have showed on numerous occasions where your supposed contradictions are anything but. You rarely do likewise other than to say that when we’re ready, the answers will appear. There are many things in the Bible that could be taken as contradictions as I’ve eluded to to in previous posts.
Our challenge to all is to study the scriptures, ponder them extensively, come up w/ what you feel is correct, & then take it before the Lord. So you can see, this is the antithesis of what you say we believe. Surprise, surprise.
The Lord admonishes us to read the scriptures, as He does to pray to Him for answers. They are not mutually exclusive as you seem to claim. For those seeking the truth, one cannot do one w/o the other. Otherwise we could be fooled either by the adversary or our own “wisdom”.
Ultimately, you have sought for wisdom through your studies & I applaud that to some extent. But you opinion differs so vastly from ours & other Christians in many areas. Many Christians have studied throughout the centuries & come up w/ varying opinions on baptism, sacrament, works vs. grace, Catholic vs. Protestant issues, capital punishment, women in the priesthood, etc, etc. Is your opinion any better than other “Christians” who have studied as you but have come up w/ different opinions? So, who’s right then?
Perhaps, after doing all that you can, if you were to take it before the Lord for final discernment, truth, nothing doubting, could be found. I for one, have found that to be true through the methods described above.
Pinging the flying inman posse in case they missed it like I have!
Yes, it was an excellent post. Notice DU’s response: If not a Mormon, he would be a buddhist. If you study buddhism you know what an empty faith that is. Man again in it, attains his own salvation.
It WAS good! Without Mormonism, I doubt if Delphi would have been exposed to Buddhism at all, since it was on his LDS mission to the Orient where we learned of Buddhism. Isn’t that right DU?
1 Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.
2 Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God:
3 And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.
I'm not disagreeing about what your organization teaches. I'm merely pointing out what it has PUBLISHED.
It is obvious to anyone who is watching that you DO believe what you say.
It's just that what you say seems to disagree with what has been published.
FC: I consider it more an attempt to cut out the cancerous part of an otherwise healthy body. Had Joseph Smith never existed, would you be an atheist? I don’t think so, I think you would have been a Christian. So we are by no means trying to destroy faith, only cut out a false faith that we view as cancerous.
DU:Actually, if Mormonism never existed, I would probably be Buddhist, the philosophy is great, the logic is irrefutable, and Christianity has way to many contradictions without the Book of Mormon to add it’s testimony and clear up some things. But hey, that’s just my opinion of what i would do, I am sure many here are convinced they know far better than I what I would do for they are “Christians”
Actually, you have just stated what we all knew but you have been too sly to admit. Mormonism really has nothing to do with Christianity, it is at best Joseph Smithianism. If the default position, should Joseph Smith turn out to be a charlatan, is to become Buddhist, then there is no Christ in your christianity and your professions of faith are a fraud.
FC: Here’s your problem DU,
DU:Right here Most anti’s would be screaming bloody murder and asking for my post to be pulled, LOL Antis are such pansies about that., well, go on
That’s ridiculous. In the past, you’ve tried to get me outright banned a number of times and censored at least twice on this thread alone. I have not reciprocated.
DU: I am a christian for I believe in Jesus Christ. Period. I also believe Joseph Smith was a prophet who served Jesus Christ and did his bidding. Traditional Christianity is not magic, it’s tradition, traditional Buddhism is not magic it’s tradition.
Doublespeak is what it is. By your own words, if Joseph Smith fails, you become a Buddhist. Jesus Christ doesn’t even fit into your world as a default position.
DU: My logic on this is simple:
If there was no falling away, then the Catholic church is still the True church of God and all protestants will be damned to hell right along side the Mormons.
Except Protestants didn’t really fall away, more like they stepped aside from some practices. It’s still all the Catholic church, the community of believers.
DU: IF there was a falling away, then reform is not enough, for once the authority to act in God’s name is lost, regaining it takes God or angels he has sent giving it to men to restore it to the earth. The protestant churches do not claim such an event, thus they are not God’s church.
Well damn! And I mean damn damn damn! Because Mormon’s are a faith of works, I can see how you would believe that. But I seem to think faith in Christ’s forgiveness absolves anyone of their sins. That is of course our problem with Mormonism, apparently you can’t be saved unless there is some intercession by Joseph Smith (else you wouldn’t at heart be a Buddhist).
DU: Either there was, or there was not fall, and in either case the protestants are wrong. The catholics in my opinion, have way too many unexplained inconsistencies, like the Nicene creed suddenly appearing in 325 AD when the Apostles never said half of what they are assuming in the Council of Nicea.
Yeah sure, I guess God must have told you this when he was talking to you alone in your room. Or maybe you read it in some golden plates you found out in the woods somewhere.
DU:Either which way, I tell you of a truth, if you do manage in destroying my testimony of The Book of Mormon you will also have destroyed the credibility of the testimony I bear of Jesus Christ.
Once again, it all revolves around you and Joseph Smith. Your testimony depends solely on the validity of Joseph Smith, who is the one I assail (I have said nary a peep about the Biblical sources of faith, others here are better at that and I defer to their insight).
DU: Let me give you an example, IF you have a Born again and you manage to convince them that the Bible is a sinful book, they will cease to believe in Jesus Christ.
Except I haven’t done that, and I don’t believe the Bible is a failed document (as do you, else there’d be no need for the BOM).
DU:Similarly, if you convince a Mormon that the Book of Mormon isn’t true, and that is how they received their testimony of Jesus, you have just created yet another Atheist. I don’t think the antis have thought this approach through.
I have thought it through, my boss is an atheist ex-Mormon after all and I’ve seen the effects first hand of what happens when people find out they’ve been duped by a peep-stone gazer. However, showing the BOM is false leaves the default position of - Christianity as revealed in the Bible - it is not the same as trying to debunk the Bible itself. Some Mormon apostates do become atheists, but I believe that that is generally a rest stop on the path to regaining their core Christian faith. I have high hope for my boss.
I also can’t believe that propping up people in a false hope that Joseph Smith was some faultless demi-god does anything but promote spiritual agony and doubt. Like I said, I view this as cutting out a cancer, not an attempt to kill the spirit, though I concede the cure is painful.
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