Posted on 11/13/2007 5:34:21 PM PST by Semper
One of the most dangerous political considerations today is that of abortion; it is a most divisive subject. Many in this arena are motivated by religious beliefs. Just in case anyone has forgotten, we are not a theocracy – our founding fathers wanted religion left to the churches and the government left to the most qualified.
Those who fanatically oppose the medical procedure of abortion refer to themselves as “pro-life”, implying that those who do not agree with them do not value life as much as they do (a most arrogant state of mind) .
To believe so strongly in your understanding of life that you assume the right to take away the freedom of a woman to determine what will define her life is dangerous. You certainly have the right to try to influence that woman to do what you think is best, but it is her right and responsibility to make the final decision.
One of the things that hurts the anti abortion movement is the terms which are coined. A fetus is not a baby (just as a child is not an adult and an adult is not a senior citizen). Human life goes through stages of development. And, until someone is born into this human environment, until they breathe on their own, until they feed on their own, until they exist outside of a woman’s womb, they are not anyone’s responsibility other than the woman who sustains them.
That is unless you want to overrule the intention of our founders and apply your religious understanding of how life should be interpreted and take away the freedom for which countless “already born” have died.
Do you presume to insist that human activity (birth, growth, deterioration, death) is more powerful than God’s creation - which is described as spiritual? Can the human decisions to kill a living person (as in war) or to abort a POTENTIAL, undeveloped person actually overrule God’s creations?
I believe that there is nothing humans can do to overturn God’s laws and his infinite creation of good. What is required is for us to FREELY choose to live in accordance with HIS plan. And politically, we need to support those who realistically have a chance to foster that outcome.
FREEDOM
The Religion Forum is densely populated by theologians who may see this as an opportunity to help someone understand why. Several have already shown up.
Does leftwing moral relativism have equal standing here as a “religion”? Because, that is exactly what this vanity and its author’s posts are.
So, now you’re equating having a beer with butchering a baby? Astounding.
I am a woman and I never knew I had a magic vagina. With just one trip through that organ my children went from nonhuman to human. From expendable property to personhood. From my mass of tissue to my child. From it is ok to kill it to murder one. Yep that old birth canal is an amazing structure.
So, ideas which are anti-God and anti-life are acceptable nowhere on FR except in the “Religion” forum? That seems nonsensical to me.
I will leave you with one more thought: Do you believe in the power of God? Then fear not, all will work out for the best.
I am puzzled at your lack of distinguishing between a prebron child and an armed soldier in combat. Maybe you are suggesting that the preborn child be armed so he can defend himself against the abortionist. Excellent idea but a bit impractical.
That illogical form of thinking could be used to to justify ANY evil.
Even the brutal deaths of over fifty million helpless, defenseless babies.
Dangerous and destructive moral relativism on parade.
How would you feel if your pregnancy was forced upon you against your will (by rape)? And what if giving birth would put your life at risk?
>> I don’t support abortion, I think it is wrong in most cases. I just don’t think you or I or anyone not potentially giving birth should be making the decision.
So abortion is wrong in your view? How can you make such judgment and yet refuse to defend those who remain helpless in the twilight of their aborted lives?
You ask this of a loyal and faithful daughter of Holy Mother Church. I would have the baby. The rapists guilt should not be paid for by the blood of an innocent child.
And my life is God’s. If He so wills I die in childbirth, Holy is His name. But I will not murder my child.
"preborn child" is a corruption of language. A child is defined as a person between birth and puberty. A child as a "pre adult" ? Not good language.
An armed soldier in combat is not the only type of casualty. In most all wars there are considerable civilian casualties.
To kill the unborn child of rape is doing greater evil as a solution to a lesser one. The woman who is raped and seeks (or is subjected to) an abortion suffers not once, but twice, to violent forced entry...and the last forced entry takes a life. The rapist violates in a violent act—the abortionist, who is a hired assassin, not only takes a life, but leaves the corpse in shreds.
I am finding it hard to believe that you can still hold this position. All these responses should have made some impact—responses which you challenged us to offer in order to change your mind. Instead, you are encountering with your original position. Would you really like to have your opinion changed? of not?
How would you feel if someone took that decision from you and required you to have an abortion. I am not implying that those circumstances are equal, I am only asking you to consider how it feels for someone else to make that kind of decision for you.
If you arbtrarily decided to call a child a tomato, would you then feel justified in eating them?
Let me know when a woman is pregnant with a non human. Till then I will continue to call the child in utero a preborn child. You go ahead and use Oxford’s to define personhood I will use the Bible. And I am well aware of civilian casualties in war time.
Your argument is so muddled on abortion. I don’t know where to begin to correct your errors. But I will ask you two questions. What is personhood? and Why would it not be justified for a family to euthanize a severly mentally and physically disabled child who is completely dependent on them for all her needs?
Semper believes abortion is wrong. This thread is a contradiction.
I probably want my opinion changed as much as you want yours changed. I hope I am open to reasonable argument and enlightenment. I have been called Anti-God, Satan, leftwing whatever, etc. That won't change my opinions. I have replied to everyone with respect and tried to offer the reasons I believe what I do.
Baloney. Hillary Clinton makes the same claim, and it’s completely bogus.
In view of this reply, I just don’t get the purpose of offering this vanity thread.
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