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the Pharisses were NOT ever saved- they relied on the law to save them and Christ goes to great lengths to show them that they were never saved and that works will never save and lead to the very thing He preached about- being boastful of their good works.

The Pharisees as a group were not "unsaved", as Scriptures tells us that "some" believed, even before Christ's crucifixion. What Christ was teaching was that most of the Pharisees were forgetting mercy and love and forgiveness in their attempts to follow the letter of the Law. Christ did NOT come to REMOVE the Law, but to fulfill it. As the Bible tells us, good fruits is a sign of proper faith in God, a faith that men and women displayed even before Christ became incarnate.

Christ did know us- when we accepted Him at Salvation- Those who don’t accept Him in Salvation obviously Christ would say He ‘never knew’ them. Our salvation is secure inthat Christ Knows us, knows His own and we share in His inheritence as laid out in God’s word- now and forever.

I'm sure that those people Christ speaks about in Matthew 7 thought the same thing you are saying... "I accepted Jesus as my savior, I did great miracles in His name, cast out demons, ate with Him, etc..." And what happened?

You should consider reading Matthew 5-7. Unless your righteousness exceeds that of the Pharisees, you shall not obtain the Kingdom of Heaven. Christ then goes on to tell us HOW our righteousness will exceed the Pharisees in this section. Our faith working in love, simple as that. Those who are presumptive, like the charecters Jesus describes in Mat 7 will NOT enter the Kingdom. That is why the "OSAS" gospel is false. It leads to presumption, that God now owes you because of one moment in time... The Bible speaks often against this idea.

Regards

457 posted on 11/01/2007 5:18:21 AM PDT by jo kus
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To: jo kus

[[The Pharisees as a group were not “unsaved”, as Scriptures tells us that “some” believed, even before Christ’s crucifixion.]]

[[I’m sure that those people Christ speaks about in Matthew 7 thought the same thing you are saying... “I accepted Jesus as my savior, I did great miracles in His name, cast out demons, ate with Him, etc...” And what happened?]]

The ones Jesus was addressing were not saved- they knew it in their hearts, and Jesus knew it and exposed it quite blatantly- they proudly relied on works as their salvation and made great show of their works- their hearts were hardened against Christ as being the only way to salvation

When Christ fulfilled the law, He delivered us from it- The law has been COMPLETELY fullfilled by Christ- We are no longer bound to the law- but the Pharisees could NOT accept this because it meant that WE are NO LONGER responsible for our salvation and that we can NO longer claim ANY right to salvation NOR can we make a show of our salvation proudly as though we were responsible for our salvation as the Pharisees had proudly displayed their “righteousness” in pompous conceit.

[[As the Bible tells us, good fruits is a sign of proper faith in God, a faith that men and women displayed even before Christ became incarnate.]]

You’re missing hte point- Good fruits is NOT the basis of our salvation- it does not- can not save us.

[[Christ then goes on to tell us HOW our righteousness will exceed the Pharisees in this section. Our faith working in love, simple as that.]]

Noone is saying that it won’t because OBVIOUSLY our righteousness is GOD Inspired and no longer works inspired as the pharisees works had been. However, again, our righteousness is not our salvation- Christ is- period!

[[It leads to presumption, that God now owes you because of one moment in time...]]

i NEVER claimed God owes us anything- it was His good pleasure to eternally save us through Christ!


463 posted on 11/01/2007 10:18:50 AM PDT by CottShop
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