[Diego1618]

You are saying that eternal life does not begin until after you die. I will argue that is starts when you are born again.

You are correct....when you are "born again" at the resurrection. As Paul puts it: [1 Corinthians 15:51-52] Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.

We agree that salvation will at some point become permanent, it is a matter of when.

That's what the change is.....being reborn as an immortal spirit being.....born again....resurrected to life eternal.

[Elsie]

We agree that salvation will at some point become permanent, it is a matter of when.

Luke 10:20
However, do not rejoice that the spirits submit to you, but rejoice that your names are written in heaven."

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Revelation 20:15
If anyone's name was not found written in the book of life, he was thrown into the lake of fire.

[Seven_0]

That's what the change is.....being reborn as an immortal spirit being.....born again....resurrected to life eternal.

Being born and being resurrected is not the same thing. I think that physical birth ,not resurrection, is a better metaphor for “born again.”