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To: Cvengr
"Post salvation sin is forgiven at the moment of turning back to God, and confessing known and unknown sins to Him via 1st John 1:9."

I agree with you, but there are people that were saved, go bad, don't repent again ever and turn their back to God.

Can't say that is a road to heaven by any means.

I think people can turn their back to God and lose their salvation, kind of like Cain with Able.

120 posted on 10/28/2007 6:44:29 PM PDT by A CA Guy (God Bless America, God bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: A CA Guy

Nope, once saved, God the Holy Spirit seals us.

Even if God really wanted to send us to hell, He couldn’t and remain immutable in His nature. Besides, it isn’t what we do that saves us. It’s all God’s work.

He isn’t saving us because of something we do. He saves us because of His grace. He foreknew us from eternity past. He will not give salvation unless the conditions are met and He sees something righteous in us. He already knew from eternity past every sin we would commit. Sin isn’t the issue.


134 posted on 10/28/2007 7:11:08 PM PDT by Cvengr (Every believer is a grenade. Arrogance is the grenade pin. Pull the pin and fragment your life.)
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To: A CA Guy

Man might reject the love of Christ, but God never rejects the love of Christ.

The sins of the unbeliever are never forgiven because he never has had faith in Christ.

Presalvation sins are forgiven the believer at the momet of salvation.

Post salvation sin is forgiven upon turing back to God and confessing those sins.

There isn’t a second sacrifice for those post salvation sins, so there is a fearful expectation of judgment in the believer after postsalvation sin. This addresses the mind and heart of the believer in post salvation sin, not the actions of God.

Upon repentence and confession, He is sure and just to forgive us those sins, thereby we end up with assurance of salvation at that point.

When we are in sin, our perspective of God is from a viewpoint looking at His perfect Justice. We expect condemnation upon our sin. When we are in fellowship with Him our viewpoint is upon His perfect righteousness.

Ever notice how many people to wrong one another, immediately appeal to the grace of the other. That isn’t true grace, that is an appeal to not be held accountable. God’s love mandates His justice. He performs that justice on sin through the Son, already settled on the Cross.

There are three popular issues amongst green belieers which are blasphemous.

1) “Although I’m a believer, I’ve done something so heinous that God couldn’t possibly accept me.”

2) “I’ve decided that I’m not going to be one of God’s children.”

and
3) “As long as I continue to perform good works through faith he will save me.”

In the last case, the believer glaringly confuses works with faith. A work doesn’t result in grace, it results in debt. The more one works for salvation, the deeper their works count against their faith. Conversely, simple faith alone in Christ alone allows Him to perform all the work and bestow salvation by His grace to the believer.

In the first case, God is omnipresent, omniscient, and already proded everything required in salvation. Once He gives it, even He cannot remove it. He knew from eternity past if it was the right decision to give a believer eternal life, so if somebody thinks they can lose it, that isn’t doubting themselves, that is an incredible insult to God and a blasphemous implication that He doesn’t know what He’s doing when He not only gives His Word, but swears upon His own name as to His promises.

In the middle case, once we are sealed by the holy Spirit, we aren’t going anywhere but where He has already prepared a place for us in heaven. There will be a wedding feast, a bema seat, and a Millenium, but once we are grafted in, we are part of that olive tree. We don’t get to prune ourselves out of it. We might act like spoiled brats and not end up at the right place at the right time to receive the rewards He has predestined for us, but He is in control of all human history, whether we like it or not.


154 posted on 10/28/2007 7:53:00 PM PDT by Cvengr (Every believer is a grenade. Arrogance is the grenade pin. Pull the pin and fragment your life.)
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