[ears_to_hear]

Did the Father die on the cross for your sins? Did the father take on human flesh?

The Father is not the Son

The Son is not the Father

The Holy Spirit is not the Son

The Son is not the Holy Spirit

Equal in Essence, Distinct in Roles: Eternal Functional Authority and Submission among the Essentially Equal Divine Persons of the Godhead (MP3), by Bruce Ware

http://www.sbts.edu/MP3/faculty/20061018ware.mp3

[Mad Dawg]

Did you read my parody? Do you know what the heresy of Patripassionism is?

I was agreeing with the expected answer of "no", you big galoot!

[Dr. Eckleburg]

This is where all the creature-worship ends up -- in a mishmash understanding of the Trinity.

Apparently some wish so strongly to believe Mary was a "co-redeemer" and a "dispenstrix of all grace" that they give to her what rightly belongs only to the Triune God.

As if.

[Kolokotronis]

"Equal in Essence"??????????????????? Where in the name of the Ecumenical Councils did this person Ware get that idea?

Here is what The Church says about the Most Holy Trinity in the language it was originally said in. I post this not to show that I know how to post foreign letters, but because the West's, especially the Protestant West's abysmal lack of knowledge and understanding of Greek has lead and continues to lead to Trinitarian and Christological heresy.

" Πιστεύω εἰς ἕνα Θεόν, Πατέρα, Παντοκράτορα, ποιητὴν οὐρανοῦ καὶ γῆς, ὁρατῶν τε πάντων καὶ ἀοράτων.

Καὶ εἰς ἕνα Κύριον Ἰησοῦν Χριστόν, τὸν Υἱὸν τοῦ Θεοῦ τὸν μονογενῆ, τὸν ἐκ τοῦ Πατρὸς γεννηθέντα πρὸ πάντων τῶν αἰώνων· φῶς ἐκ φωτός, Θεὸν ἀληθινὸν ἐκ Θεοῦ ἀληθινοῦ, γεννηθέντα οὐ ποιηθέντα, ὁμοούσιον τῷ Πατρί, δι' οὗ τὰ πάντα ἐγένετο. Τὸν δι' ἡμᾶς τοὺς ἀνθρώπους καὶ διὰ τὴν ἡμετέραν σωτηρίαν κατελθόντα ἐκ τῶν οὐρανῶν καὶ σαρκωθέντα ἐκ Πνεύματος Ἁγίου καὶ Μαρίας τῆς Παρθένου καὶ ἐνανθρωπήσαντα. Σταυρωθέντα τε ὑπὲρ ἡμῶν ἐπὶ Ποντίου Πιλάτου, καὶ παθόντα καὶ ταφέντα. Καὶ ἀναστάντα τῇ τρίτῃ ἡμέρα κατὰ τὰς Γραφάς. Καὶ ἀνελθόντα εἰς τοὺς οὐρανοὺς καὶ καθεζόμενον ἐκ δεξιῶν τοῦ Πατρός. Καὶ πάλιν ἐρχόμενον μετὰ δόξης κρῖναι ζῶντας καὶ νεκρούς, οὗ τῆς βασιλείας οὐκ ἔσται τέλος.

Καὶ εἰς τὸ Πνεῦμα τὸ Ἅγιον, τὸ κύριον, τὸ ζωοποιόν, τὸ ἐκ τοῦ Πατρὸς ἐκπορευόμενον, τὸ σὺν Πατρὶ καὶ Υἱῷ συμπροσκυνούμενον καὶ συνδοξαζόμενον, τὸ λαλῆσαν διὰ τῶν προφητῶν"

Now, where do you get "Equal in Essence" from "ὁμοούσιον τῷ Πατρί"?

This is The Faith of The Church. This is The Faith upon which the universe is established. It behooves all of us to accept and understand it!

[Mad Dawg]

Okay, hysterical moi here ...

Did ANYbody notice you could sing it to the tune of "Oklahoma".

My talents are wasted, WASTED here.

Does EWTN have a Saturday Night Live type show?