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To: Tolkien; Campion
Talking to the dead for any purpose is condemned by scripture, not just fortune telling.

The practice of conjuring up spirits, and asking a servant of God to pray for you is quite different and this should be obvious to most people. Let me ask you a question. Do you think Jesus is an abomination to the Lord? Jesus conversed with the Dead. No I don’t mean instances when he raised Jairus’daughter from the dead by saying, “little girl arise.”(Mark 5:41) or when he raised his friend Lazarus from the dead by shouting “Lazarus come forth” (John 11:44). I’m talking about the time He chatted with Moses and Elias at the Transfiguration.

Mark 9:4
And there appeared unto them Elias with Moses: and they were talking with Jesus.

Elias is the Greek form of the name Elijah that translators used in the KJV of the New Testament if you aren’t sure who Elias is. The KJV of the Bible is the only version that uses Elias all others use Elijah. Now we know that according to Scripture Elijah was carried away in a fiery chariot. There is no evidence in scripture that tells us he died so we won’t even discuss him. But Scripture not only tells us that Moses died but we are even told his age at his death.


48 posted on 10/25/2007 12:34:21 PM PDT by NYer ("Where the bishop is present, there is the Catholic Church" - Ignatius of Antioch)
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To: NYer

Jesus is not violating anything if He talks to the dead. Jesus is God. You write as if you do not even understand this simple Christian concept. Jesus cannot ever do anything wrong or that is against His Word (He is the Word in the flesh) and will never do anything that isnot in unison with the Father or the Holy Spirit.

Jesus has the power to bring the dead to life. He has the power to show that He is talking with Moses and Elijah, no doubt to whom He would have been able to talk to in Heaven anyway. Normal human beings do not have these powers. Normal human beings are told NOT to talk to the dead and to NOT get involved with those who do.


52 posted on 10/25/2007 12:45:57 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man
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To: NYer
Once again, you're twisting it.

Jesus, being God Almighty can talk to anyone He wants to. And they were face to face. He was not praying to them for intercession.

No New Testament saint or Old Testament saint prayed to the dead.

Once again, Jesus is the only mediator and intercessor between God and man. If you deviate from that, you are in error.

You Catholics are saying that praying to Jesus is to no effect. We have to get Mary or somebody else to ask Jesus to do something we are asking.

If you are in Christ, you don't need any other intercessor. Are you a child of God or not?

You're acting like Jesus doesn't care unless Mary asks Him so. That is blaspheme.

60 posted on 10/25/2007 1:04:40 PM PDT by Tolkien (There are things more important than Peace. Freedom being one of those.)
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To: NYer

Hey and how about this one?

John 3:36 states that he who believes has eternal life.

So what is eternal life if all those people in heaven are dead?


92 posted on 10/25/2007 2:16:41 PM PDT by netmilsmom (To attack one section of Christianity in this day and age, is to waste time .)
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