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To: Secret Agent Man
Okay. Thank you for the clear statement. I never claimed to be smart, It's all lies, I tell you lies!

You asked something like, "Why ask anyone to pray for you when you can ask Jesus directly?" An answer was attempted, and then you went to the "I see dead people" argument.

"Not agreeing" all by itself, doesn't move the ball, since you asked the question. If there is never any reason, in your view, to ask anyone to pray for one, then say so and prepare to defend it. Otherwise, I think, the situation is that EITHER Paul was wrong to ask those other people to pray for him, which would be consistent with your, "Why go to anyone when you can go right to Jesus?" argument, OR we have a Biblical precedent for asking others for prayer.

If the latter, then we can go on to the whether we can ask people in heaven for prayer or not. If the former, then we need go no further, but need to re-examine that question.

But IF you think Paul is wrong, I think you need to show us why. And if you think he is right not always to go to Jesus but sometimes in addition to going to Jesus also to ask others for their prayers, then I think you need to say that. Things are never as clear as we think they are, at least not to moi. Be kind to those afflicted with stupidity. And besides, the care and focus necessary to argue clearly often lowers the ambient temperature, which for most Christians would, I think, be considered a good thing. But then, it's been argued that my desire for clear, charitable, reasonable discussion is an indication that I have problems.

I'm sure I do.

And of course, I hope you understand that the Protestant trump card of Scripture will also come into play in a disputation with Catholics because we have a different view of Scriptural authority from that held by many Protestants.

155 posted on 10/25/2007 7:13:37 PM PDT by Mad Dawg (Oh Mary, conceived without sin, pray for us who have recourse to thee.)
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To: Mad Dawg

Okay, you don’t do bible study that much.

You ask others to pray for you because God tells us that it has an effect and gives us examples - for ex. asking the elders of a church to come and pray over a sick person. However, if you READ THE BIBLE EXAMPLES you find that every example where a person asks another to pray for them, they are both physically alive on earth, and they are both living people, body and soul together!!!! There are NO examples where one person is physically alive asking a person that is not physically alive. Nobody was ever instructed or encouraged by Christ or any apostle to ask dead Christians to intercede for them.

And don’t try to say ‘but the dead Christians are alive in Christ’ - all that would prove is that you don’t understand the difference between when someone uses the term to mean physically dead as opposed to spiritually dead.


161 posted on 10/25/2007 7:28:22 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man
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