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To: Campion
Yes. I'm sure.

Rev 17: 1 One of the seven angels who had the seven bowls came and said to me, "Come, I will show you the punishment of the great prostitute, who sits on many waters. 2 With her the kings of the earth committed adultery and the inhabitants of the earth were intoxicated with the wine of her adulteries." 3 Then the angel carried me away in the Spirit into a desert. There I saw a woman sitting on a scarlet beast that was covered with blasphemous names and had seven heads and ten horns. 4 The woman was dressed in purple and scarlet, and was glittering with gold, precious stones and pearls. She held a golden cup in her hand, filled with abominable things and the filth of her adulteries. 5 This title was written on her forehead: 6 I saw that the woman was drunk with the blood of the saints, the blood of those who bore testimony to Jesus. When I saw her, I was greatly astonished.

7 Then the angel said to me: "Why are you astonished? I will explain to you the mystery of the woman and of the beast she rides, which has the seven heads and ten horns. 8 The beast, which you saw, once was, now is not, and will come up out of the Abyss and go to his destruction. The inhabitants of the earth whose names have not been written in the book of life from the creation of the world will be astonished when they see the beast, because he once was, now is not, and yet will come. 9 "This calls for a mind with wisdom. The seven heads are seven hills on which the woman sits. 10 They are also seven kings. Five have fallen, one is, the other has not yet come; but when he does come, he must remain for a little while. 11 The beast who once was, and now is not, is an eighth king. He belongs to the seven and is going to his destruction. 12 "The ten horns you saw are ten kings who have not yet received a kingdom, but who for one hour will receive authority as kings along with the beast. 13 They have one purpose and will give their power and authority to the beast.

14 They will make war against the Lamb, but the Lamb will overcome them because he is Lord of lords and King of kings--and with him will be his called, chosen and faithful followers." 15 Then the angel said to me, "The waters you saw, where the prostitute sits, are peoples, multitudes, nations and languages. 16 The beast and the ten horns you saw will hate the prostitute. They will bring her to ruin and leave her naked; they will eat her flesh and burn her with fire. 17 For God has put it into their hearts to accomplish his purpose by agreeing to give the beast their power to rule, until God's words are fulfilled. 18 The woman you saw is the great city that rules over the kings of the earth."


70 posted on 10/15/2007 11:28:36 AM PDT by xzins (If you will just agree to murder your children, we can win the presidency)
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To: xzins
I don't think that very many people would agree with you that Rome rules over "the kings of the earth" today, but Ps 68:29 says, Because of Your temple at Jerusalem, Kings will bring presents to You.

And compare Jeremiah 25:10:

Moreover I will take from them the voice of mirth and the voice of gladness, the voice of the bridegroom and the voice of the bride, the sound of the millstones and the light of the lamp. 11 And this whole land shall be a desolation and an astonishment ...

78 posted on 10/15/2007 11:41:52 AM PDT by Campion
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To: xzins; Campion
Some words are similar here. But the footnotoes and explanations are very diffierent, I think, xzins, from your interpretations.

Revelation
Chapter 17
1
1 Then one of the seven angels who were holding the seven bowls came and said to me, "Come here. I will show you the judgment on the great harlot 2 who lives near the many waters.
2
3 The kings of the earth have had intercourse with her, and the inhabitants of the earth became drunk on the wine of her harlotry."
3
Then he carried me away in spirit to a deserted place where I saw a woman seated on a scarlet beast 4 that was covered with blasphemous names, with seven heads and ten horns.
4
The woman was wearing purple and scarlet and adorned with gold, precious stones, and pearls. She held in her hand a gold cup that was filled with the abominable and sordid deeds of her harlotry.
5
On her forehead was written a name, which is a mystery, "Babylon the great, the mother of harlots and of the abominations of the earth."
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5 I saw that the woman was drunk on the blood of the holy ones and on the blood of the witnesses to Jesus. 6 When I saw her I was greatly amazed.
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The angel said to me, "Why are you amazed? I will explain to you the mystery of the woman and of the beast that carries her, the beast with the seven heads and the ten horns.
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7 The beast that you saw existed once but now exists no longer. It will come up from the abyss and is headed for destruction. The inhabitants of the earth whose names have not been written in the book of life from the foundation of the world shall be amazed when they see the beast, because it existed once but exists no longer, and yet it will come again.
9
Here is a clue 8 for one who has wisdom. The seven heads represent seven hills upon which the woman sits. They also represent seven kings:
10
five have already fallen, one still lives, and the last has not yet come, 9 and when he comes he must remain only a short while.
11
The beast 10 that existed once but exists no longer is an eighth king, but really belongs to the seven and is headed for destruction.
12
The ten horns that you saw represent ten kings who have not yet been crowned; 11 they will receive royal authority along with the beast for one hour.
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They are of one mind and will give their power and authority to the beast.
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They will fight with the Lamb, but the Lamb will conquer them, for he is Lord of lords and king of kings, and those with him are called, chosen, and faithful."
15
Then he said to me, "The waters that you saw where the harlot lives represent large numbers of peoples, nations, and tongues.
16
The ten horns 12 that you saw and the beast will hate the harlot; they will leave her desolate and naked; they will eat her flesh and consume her with fire.
17
For God has put it into their minds to carry out his purpose and to make them come to an agreement to give their kingdom to the beast until the words of God are accomplished.
18
The woman whom you saw represents the great city that has sovereignty over the kings of the earth."
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Footnotes

1 [1-6] Babylon, the symbolic name (Rev 17:5) of Rome, is graphically described as "the great harlot."

2 [17:1-19:10] The punishment of Babylon is now described as a past event and, metaphorically, under the image of the great harlot who leads people astray into idolatry.

3 [2] Intercourse . . . harlotry: see the note on Rev 14:4. The pagan kings subject to Rome adopted the cult of the emperor.

4 [3] Scarlet beast: see the note on Rev 13:1-10. Blasphemous names: divine titles assumed by the Roman emperors; see the note on Rev 13:5-6.

5 [6] Reference to the great wealth and idolatrous cults of Rome.

6 [6b-18] An interpretation of the vision is here given.

7 [8] Allusion to the belief that the dead Nero would return to power (Rev 17:11); see the note on Rev 13:3.

8 [9] Here is a clue: literally, "Here a mind that has wisdom." Seven hills: of Rome.

9 [10] There is little agreement as to the identity of the Roman emperors alluded to here. The number seven (Rev 17:9) suggests that all the emperors are meant; see the note on Rev 1:4.

10 [11] The beast: Nero; see the note on Rev 17:8.

11 [12-13] Ten kings who have not yet been crowned: perhaps Parthian satraps who are to accompany the revived Nero (the beast) in his march on Rome to regain power; see the note on Rev 13:3. In Rev 19:11-21, the Lamb and his companions will conquer them.

12 [16-18] The ten horns: the ten pagan kings (Rev 17:12) who unwittingly fulfill God's will against harlot Rome, the great city; cf Ezekiel 16:37.


157 posted on 10/15/2007 6:20:48 PM PDT by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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