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Why Jews are wrong to blame Ann Coulter's remarks
Vanity | 10 13 2007 | drzz

Posted on 10/13/2007 1:58:43 PM PDT by drzz

The American Jewish Committee issued a statement blaming author Ann Coulter for her remark about Jews during the Deutch's show two days ago.

Coulter said that Christians believe "Jews should be perfected" - i.e. being Christians.

The American Jewish Committee erupted in outrage. But he is wrong.

The history of Christianity explains that Christians have always seen themselves as the new people of God, following the steps of Jesus Christ who had created a new alliance between God and men, after the failure of the old one (the 10 commandements).

So, technicaly, Coulter is absolutely right to say that Christians believe that.

Is her comment offensive ? Really ?

Should we ask Jews to avoid saying Jesuss was a prophet and not the son of God, because we find that offensive to us ?

The AJC is leading a typical multicultural offensive against Christians - who are not authorized to even say what they believe in - and THAT should be condemned, not Coulter's remarks,


TOPICS: Catholic; Evangelical Christian; Judaism; Religion & Culture
KEYWORDS: anncoulter; christianism; judaism

1 posted on 10/13/2007 1:58:45 PM PDT by drzz
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To: drzz
I find it frustrating in the extreme sometimes to see how so many American Jews regard conservatives and Republicans when we have unfailingly stood on their behalf against those who would gleefully eradicate them.

The Democrat Party has done everything short of bombing Israel, and they constantly express contempt for Jews, yet so many Jewish people in this country (with few exceptions) are still slavishly loyal to them.

2 posted on 10/13/2007 2:41:18 PM PDT by VR-21
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To: drzz
Ann Coulter was certainly not being anti-semitic when she made those remarks...but she was pretty dumb in not anticipating the reaction.

However, the American Jewish Committee has been just as dumb, needlessly alienating pro-Israel Christians.

Too bad there aren't mandatory political education classes similar to what follows a DUI. They might save a lot of needless grief.

3 posted on 10/13/2007 3:14:17 PM PDT by liberallarry
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To: drzz
If Ann Coulter is offensive, than so is St. Paul. When he said that Christians are “like a branch that is grafted to the trunk of a tree, we are attached to the fountain of God” it speaks of the perfection that is a result of following Christ. If Jews do not follow this thinking, they do not know much about horticulture.
4 posted on 10/13/2007 3:31:40 PM PDT by jonrick46
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To: liberallarry

Thank you, this sums it up pretty well. I AM a politically conservative, lackadaisically religious Jew. I AM a political ally of most of the members of this site, and NOT an enemy, or even an adversary. So why would would you say something denigrating to me, with no cause other than to satisfy a personal itch. Would you do it to a dinner guest, your boss, or a client?

I find Abe Foxman and the ADL, and their predictable hype and over-reaction far more offensive - and more threatening - than Ann Coulter, but she is not without fault here.


5 posted on 10/13/2007 5:43:45 PM PDT by MainFrame65 (The US Senate: World's greatest PREVARICATIVE body!)
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To: drzz; Alouette
As long as chr*stians are chr*stians, they will believe that all non-chr*stians (regardless or religion or the lack thereof) are doomed to eternal damnation. Unlike Judaism/Noachism, it is not a religion of tiqqun `olam via obedience to Halakhah. However, just as most chr*stians think that the purpose of Judaism is to "save souls," so most Jews think that chr*stianity is another legal system working to perfect G-d's creation. Each projects its own worldview onto the other. No wonder there is so much confusion.

Jews who demand internal changes in chr*stian theology are doing something far worse than proselytizing. The only way to legitimately change chr*stians' minds is to convert them to Noachism, but many Jews don't like to think of themselves demanding anyone else's conversion to another religion. But that is exactly what the liberal chr*stianity they endorse is.

Chr*stians sincerely believe they are following G-d but they are sincerely wrong. There is only one answer: convert them from chr*stianity to Noachism.

There! I trust I've done my usual job of offending everyone on both sides of this issue? If not please let me know and I'll try again!

6 posted on 10/13/2007 5:58:42 PM PDT by Zionist Conspirator (Vehe'emin BaShem; vayachsheveha lo tzedaqah.)
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To: drzz
Ethical Monotheism
7 posted on 10/13/2007 6:39:28 PM PDT by onedoug
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To: drzz

I as a religious jew I defend ann coutler just like we jews have the right to believe that we are the shosen people the christian have a right to believe that they are perfect, and i appreciate the conservative christian suppot for the jews and israel god bless trhem.
Israel.


8 posted on 10/13/2007 9:14:34 PM PDT by israelfeldbrand
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To: Zionist Conspirator
There! I trust I've done my usual job of offending everyone on both sides of this issue?

Yes, good job, except that you haven't been offended yet.

'Noachism' isn't in the same class as Jehovah's Witnesses or Scientology, but it attracts the same type of people.

9 posted on 10/14/2007 9:20:46 AM PDT by xJones
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To: xJones
'Noachism' isn't in the same class as Jehovah's Witnesses or Scientology, but it attracts the same type of people.

Since even chr*stians have to admit that up until the advent of the new religion Noachism was the true religion for non-Jews (just as Judaism was the true religion for Jews) I find it strange that you would say such a thing.

It seems to me that the real test for how philo-Semitic chr*stians are is their attitude to Noachides. It's really weird to consider that all the Evangelical channels support the Jewish People, Israel, and Judaism so strongly but many Evngelicals seem to have a problem with Noachism. Most Noachides started out as Evangelicals.

10 posted on 10/14/2007 1:41:04 PM PDT by Zionist Conspirator (Vehe'emin BaShem; vayachsheveha lo tzedaqah.)
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To: Zionist Conspirator

Yes, you have succeeded. How is it that you inflict yourself on so many Christian-themed threads with nothing but sarcasm and ridicule, yet you take care to caucus virtually every thread you post that pertains to anything of a “Jewish/Noachide” stripe, demonstrating along the way a zero-tolerance policy for mere dissent, nevermind ridicule? That’s awfully thin-skinned of you, and cannot escape notice.


11 posted on 10/14/2007 7:09:51 PM PDT by magisterium
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To: magisterium; wideawake
Yes, you have succeeded. How is it that you inflict yourself on so many Christian-themed threads with nothing but sarcasm and ridicule, yet you take care to caucus virtually every thread you post that pertains to anything of a “Jewish/Noachide” stripe, demonstrating along the way a zero-tolerance policy for mere dissent, nevermind ridicule? That’s awfully thin-skinned of you, and cannot escape notice.

The only "Jewish/Noachide caucus" threads I have EVER posted to this forum are the lists of Bible readings I post each week, and I only started this a month ago--and I've been a FReeper for over eight years.

I was defending Ms. Coulter from "pluralist" and "multiculturalist" hypocrites who dictate internal changes in chr*stian theology and then pat themselves on the back for being morally superior to chr*tian missionaries becaue "we accept people exactly as they are!" [!!!???]

As a Noachide former chr*stian I have a unique view of controversies such as this. I'm sorry that you don't agree.

Have a nice day! :-)

12 posted on 10/15/2007 8:14:54 AM PDT by Zionist Conspirator (Vehe'emin BaShem; vayachsheveha lo tzedaqah.)
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http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-religion/1894897/posts

Post 10.

As soon as someone challenged your POV, you insisted on the thread being caucused. You cited disrespect and proselytizing as your reasons. Yet you do the same things yourself when you crash Christian threads and mock our beliefs that have no discernible relevance to your religious persuasions. Hey, do anything you like, but consistency would be nice. If you want people to leave your stuff alone, why don’t you leave our stuff alone, since it rarely concerns your confessional POV anyway?

13 posted on 10/15/2007 10:02:36 AM PDT by magisterium
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To: magisterium
The thread you referred to (and which I recalled after my last post to you) was one where I posted a video for all FReepers to watch for their edification. It was out of place to begin a theological argument about J*sus, and the person who pinged the offending party apologized for doing so.

Aside from this one example (and the Bible reading threads) I have never posted a "caucus" thread on FR.

I find it hard to understand why you are attacking me when I was defending Ann Coulter for believing everyone should be a chr*stian. I shall continue to do so and continue to call out hypocrites who "accept other religions just as they are" and then demand a complete internal theological overhaul. I believe in proselyitzation. Of course chr*stians are going to proselytize non-chr*tians (not just Jews). Furthermore, all Jews and Noachides should proselytize for Noachism.

Considering how you Catholics react whenever some poor Protestant missionary hands you a tract I should think you have no right to comment on this matter.

14 posted on 10/15/2007 1:48:16 PM PDT by Zionist Conspirator (Vehe'emin BaShem; vayachsheveha lo tzedaqah.)
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