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To: greyfoxx39

So thorough and insightful a response I have no need to add
a word to it. Very good gf.

If subjective experience is the basis of truth, then there
is no truth because everyone’s subjective experience differs.
Truth with a capital T doesn’t conflict with itself. Hence,
subjective experience can never be the basis of truth.

On this first principle, mormonism fails. This faulty foundation
of sand becomes the downfall of mormonism time after time.
It distorts the Bible in an attempt to validate personal
subjective experience. It distorts the Gospel of Christ. It
distorts the nature of God and man. It validates both
polygamy and polytheism.

Those who see the fallacy of this approach leave the grip
of the mormon cult - often at great sacrifice and oppression.

You can read their stories at...

http://www.exmormon.org/

These are the people who have left and tell why and what it
meant to their lives when they realized the foundation of
shifting sand mormonism is built upon. It isn’t the only
website of ex-mormons either. There are many. For anyone
who wants to know the truth about this cult, there is no
better place to start than here - except, of course, the
Bible.

best,
ampu


534 posted on 10/14/2007 11:02:46 AM PDT by aMorePerfectUnion
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To: aMorePerfectUnion
If subjective experience is the basis of truth, then there is no truth because everyone’s subjective experience differs. Truth with a capital T doesn’t conflict with itself. Hence, subjective experience can never be the basis of truth.

As I said before, a subjective experience is one that is personal or private, and not shared by others. Such experiences can be true. If it were not so, then you have to reject the following "subjective" experiences:

55 But he [Stephen], being full of the Holy Ghost, looked up stedfastly into heaven, and saw the glory of God, and Jesus standing on the right hand of God,
56 And said, Behold, I see the heavens opened, and the Son of man standing on the right hand of God.
57 Then they cried out with a loud voice, and stopped their ears, and ran upon him with one accord, (Acts 7:55-57).

9 ¶ On the morrow, as they went on their journey, and drew nigh unto the city, Peter went up upon the housetop to pray about the sixth hour:
10 And he became very hungry, and would have eaten: but while they made ready, he fell into a trance,
11 And saw heaven opened, and a certain vessel descending unto him, as it had been a great sheet knit at the four corners, and let down to the earth:
12 Wherein were all manner of fourfooted beasts of the earth, and wild beasts, and creeping things, and fowls of the air.
13 And there came a voice to him, Rise, Peter; kill, and eat.
14 But Peter said, Not so, Lord; for I have never eaten any thing that is common or unclean.
15 And the voice spake unto him again the second time, What God hath cleansed, that call not thou common.
16 This was done thrice: and the vessel was received up again into heaven. (Acts 10:9-16)

9 And a vision appeared to Paul in the night; There stood a man of Macedonia, and prayed him, saying, Come over into Macedonia, and help us.
10 And after he had seen the vision, immediately we endeavoured to go into Macedonia, assuredly gathering that the Lord had called us for to preach the gospel unto them. (Acts 16:9–10)

11 And the night following the Lord stood by him, and said, Be of good cheer, Paul: for as thou hast testified of me in Jerusalem, so must thou bear witness also at Rome. (Acts 23:11)

Those are examples taken from just one book of the Bible, the book of Acts. The rest of the Bible is full of accounts of "subjective" experiences: dreams, visions, angelic visitations, and so on. Indeed, take away everything but what would be considered "objective" by today's standards and there would not be much left of the Bible.
539 posted on 10/14/2007 3:04:56 PM PDT by Logophile
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To: aMorePerfectUnion

“If subjective experience is the basis of truth, then there
is no truth because everyone’s subjective experience differs.”

Well it’s a good thing we don’t teach that subjective experience is the basis of truth then.

There are some truths however that can only be known by experience. For example, the only way to know what salt tastes like is to taste it. Christ employed the same idea when he said: “If any man will do his will, he shall know of the doctrine, whether it be of God, or whether I speak of myself.” (John 7: 17)

So if you don’t like that principle, take it up with Christ.


545 posted on 10/14/2007 4:07:58 PM PDT by Grig
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