You may think it is accusatory yet it still is attitude because if one is contenious and there are many degrees from hostile to just trying to simply debunk!
He asked
I’m not asking for something that specific.
I’m asking you to define the terms used.
I asked, “how is anyone to suppose that this is true?” and the answer I got is “the testimony of the Holy Ghost.”
If you can’t begin to define that, you have refused to answer my question.
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If one dose totally surrender with a humble and contrite heart by letting go and let God than the witness of the Holy Ghost is unable to enter!
Restornu, you say that I have to totally surrender with a humble and contrite heart, and then I will receive the witness of the Holy Ghost? And what will that witness be?
You say I have to have not just an open mind, but an entirely contrite and humble heart. It sounds very similar to Catholic spirituality but with one critical difference: in Catholicism, it is the endproduct of rational exploration, not the start; the open mind leads to learning the truth, which leads to a heart broken (”contrite” is one of those Catholic Latinisms for “broken”) by having believed in lies, which is healed by Jesus. A belief which starts with a contrite heart and total surrender of the will, but which is not supported by an *objective* experience is what is called a self-delusion.
Now, I’ve seen loads of self-deluded Christians who just happen to be correct. A sort of much-friendlier version of “just because you’re paranoid doesn’t mean they aren’t out to get you” would be “just because you’re a self-deluded Christian doesn’t mean Christianity isn’t true.” I can’t tell you how many charismatics and ex-charismatics believed many of the spiritual signs stem from simply WANTING them to be true, but then found a truer, less dramatic Christianity to be entirely rational.
So, I’m not expecting that each and every story of Mormon conversions be one of objective reality. If many troubled souls simply find something as vague as an inner peace after meeting so many nice people in Mormonism, you guys are actually doing your job right. But is there any real evidence of truth, or just nice feelings?