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To: DelphiUser

[Neat quote, too bad it's not real]

Here's another page claiming the same thing.  Whoever created it went though a lot of trouble.   They've even got images they claim are photos of the original LDS publication.   If it's not true, why hasn't the LDS gone legal and forced them to remove the disinformation - like the Scientologists do?

 

http://www.challengemin.org/moon.html

In an 1892 LDS publication under the heading "THE INHABITANTS OF THE MOON," this interesting information is given by Oliver B. Huntington:

"Nearly all the great discoveries of men in the last half century have, in one way or another, either directly or indirectly, contributed to prove Joseph Smith to be a Prophet.

"As far back as 1837, I know that he said the moon was inhabited by men and women the same as this earth, and that they lived to a greater age than we do -- that they live generally to near the age of 1000 years.

"He described the men as averaging near six feet in height, and dressing quite uniformly in something near the Quaker style.

"In my Patriarchal blessing, given by the father of Joseph the Prophet, in Kirtland, 1837, I was told that I should preach the gospel before I was 21 years of age; that I should preach the gospel to the inhabitants upon the islands of the sea, and to the inhabitants of the moon, even the planet you can now behold with your eyes." (The Young Woman's Journal, published by the Young Ladies' Mutual Improvement Associations of Zion, 1892, vol. 3, pp. 263-64)


Below is a photograph from the LDS publication, The Young Woman's Journal, p. 263. Notice that O.B. Huntington stated he knew Joseph Smith said the moon was inhabited.

 

 

 


605 posted on 10/06/2007 6:57:20 PM PDT by VxH (One if by Land, Two if by Sea, and Three if by Wire Transfer)
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To: VxH

The Apologists work on that river in Egypt don’tchaknow.


606 posted on 10/06/2007 7:32:40 PM PDT by MHGinTN (If you can read this, you've had life support. Defend life support for others in the womb.)
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To: VxH
This one at your link to be even more damning of this scam artist, Smith:

THE 1826 COURT TRIAL

For years Mormon scholars have criticized the account of an 1826 court trial held in Brainbridge, New York where Joseph Smith was arrested, tried, and found guilty of using a magical stone for the purpose of finding hidden treasure buried in the earth. This account was published in Frazer's Magazine in 1873. The following information is quoted from that publication under the heading "STATE OF NEW YORK v. JOSEPH SMITH":

    "Prisoner [Joseph Smith] brought before Court March 20, 1826. Prisoner examined: says that he .... had a certain stone which he had occasionally looked at to determine where hidden treasures in the bowels of the earth were; that he professed to tell in this manner where gold mines were a distance under ground .... he had occasionally been in the habit of looking through this stone to find lost property for three years, but of !ate had pretty much given it up on account of its injuring his health, especially his eyes making them sore;...

    "And therefore the Court find[s] the Defendant guilty. Costs: Warrant, 19c. Complaint upon oath, 25½c. Seven witnesses, 87½ c. Recognisances, 25c. Mittimus, 19c. Recognisances of witnesses, 75c. Suboena, 18c -$2.68." (Frazer's Magazine, February, 1873, pp. 229-30)

Until 1971 LDS scholars believed that there was no proof to prove the account given in Frazer's Magazine. They were so sure of the innocence of Joseph Smith that some Mormon apologists admitted if the court record could be found it would prove Joseph Smith a fraud. Dr. Francis W. Kirkham stated:

    "If any evidence had been in existence that Joseph Smith had used a seer stone for fraud and deception, and especially had he made this confession in a court of law as early as 1826, or four years before the Book of Mormon was printed, and this confession was in a court record, it would have been impossible for him to have organized the restored Church." (A New Witness For Christ In America, vol. 1, pp. 385-87)

Then in 1971 in the basement of the County Jail in Norwich, New York, Wesley Walters discovered the original 1826 Court record which gives the costs involved in the trial and proves the account given in Frazer's Magazine. Not only is this one of the most devastating pieces of evidence against the divine mission of Joseph Smith, but this discovery proves Smith was heavily involved in the occult during the time he was supposed to be preparing himself for receiving the "gold plates"!

Below is a photograph of the newly discovered document which proves that Joseph Smith was arrested, tried, and found guilty as a "glass looker" in 1826. To the left is a typed transcript of the portion of the document that deals with Joseph Smith. Notice that when the letter "S" was repeated it appears as a "P" (see the word "Assault" in items 1, 4, 7, and 9).


607 posted on 10/06/2007 7:43:50 PM PDT by MHGinTN (If you can read this, you've had life support. Defend life support for others in the womb.)
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To: VxH
If it's not true, why hasn't the LDS gone legal and forced them to remove the disinformation - like the Scientologists do?

Go LEGAL??

Why SHOULD we?

Just LOOK at all the LIES told about us by folks who HATED us in those Missouri COURTrooms back in the 1800's!

--MormonDude('The first thing we do, let's kill all the lawyers')

608 posted on 10/07/2007 4:04:41 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: VxH
OK, I wondered if you would actually go to the Joseph Smith link about men on the moon. I have researched this one, but never heard of the one on Brigham young, are you sure the original quote was from Brigham young?

FairWiki talks about how all these stories about Moon men came into being, Here.

The topic of inhabitants on the moon was a common one in the Day and age of Joseph smith's and Brigham young's time, the following paragraph (Taken from the link above) is relevant.
Modern prophets and general authorities will sometimes cite newspaper articles or books to illustrate the points which they wish to make. In doing so, they are not endorsing such articles or books as being prophetically correct in all particulars. Rather, they are using the science and information of their day to enhance their preaching of the gospel.

LDS doctrine was not provincial, since it provided for "worlds without number" (Mos. 1:33) created by Christ. These worlds held those who would require the gospel, since by Christ "the inhabitants thereof are begotten sons and daughters unto God." (D&C 76:24)

Information given to the 19th century Saints by the authorities of the day were consistent with these doctrines, and so they believed them, and occasionally mentioned them in a religious context. As always, prophets and believers are products of their time. Biblical authors, for example, clearly accepted a geocentric (earth centered) cosmos, with a flat earth and heavens supported by four pillars. Like the authors of the Bible, modern prophets are generally beholden to their era's scientific concepts, except where corrections in those concepts are needed to permit the gospel to be understood and applied. This does not mean, however, that prophets of any era do not receive revelation about matters of eternal significance.
Are you also going to condemn the Catholics for supporting a "Geocentric" earth? They did, to the point it became difficult to accept any other focus. While I am sure that Both Joseph Smith, and Brigham young discussed the topics of the day, I am equally sure that they never said "Thus sayeth the lord, there are men on the moon.".

Anti's continually attempt to say the bar for a prophet is that he must be perfect. Tell that to Jonah, Moses, and Elisha all of whom made mistakes that would invalidate them as prophets if the standards you would hold Joseph to were applied to them.

I am now going to say something that will probably shock you.

Joseph smith was a brash impulsive, impatient man who was also impetuous and sometimes even proud. He was also called of God to open this dispensation and restore the church of Jesus Christ to the earth. I do not know why God chose him, only that he did so, and I will not second guess the Lord God. He has testified to me that Joseph is indeed a prophet, and that as they say Closes the books on that one.

As for the JOD page, This is the first I have heard of it, and cannot find it in any scholarly site, the only reference you have found are anti-Mormon sites which forgive me have all the credibility of CBS and Dan Rather when it comes to documents, are you sure it's not one of Mark Hoffman's forgeries (many of which are still floating around in Anti-Mormon circles.)

Have you got any links from anywhere which shows the actual origin of the page, and is not replete with such forgeries as the kinderhook plates and other blatant anti Mormon stuff?

I assert that since there are many instances of Anti-Mormons forging things to try to discredit the church, anything that can only be found on an "anti" site and has no historical background on where, when and how it came into their possession only, will be viewed by anyone in this debate with extreme pessimism.

I am not saying it's a hoax, I'm saying you have not proven it is truly a valid document yet, the same answer I would give Dan Rather. My standards for things that support the church is just as high.
615 posted on 10/07/2007 11:29:23 AM PDT by DelphiUser ("You can lead a man to knowledge, but you can't make him think")
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