[tantiboh]

CC, the debate isn’t over whether Smith engaged in sexual relations with his wives. The question is, did he engage in sexual relations with any of the women sealed to him at the same time they were married to their husbands. There are 8 such cases. There is only 1 of those where there is a credible claim of such, and that claim is secondhand.

Here is the source for my information (though I’m sure you’ll say ‘ick’ when you see FARMS):
http://farms.byu.edu/display.php?table=review&id=290

Is there some gray here? Sure. I continue to study it, and personally, I’m not yet satisfied that I have all the information. Still, I prefer to adhere to the concept of innocence until proof of guilt - and I do, after all, have the testimony in my soul of the Holy Ghost regarding Smith’s divine calling.

[colorcountry]

CC, the debate isn’t over whether Smith engaged in sexual relations with his wives. The question is, did he engage in sexual relations with any of the women sealed to him at the same time they were married to their husbands.

That might not be the argument you are framing, but you must have missed resty's posts where she was exclaiming that Joseph Smith didn't have sex with any except Emma.....

To quote resty, "Use your higher mind" tanti....LOL

[Elsie]

...I do, after all, have the testimony in my soul of the Holy Ghost ....

You hope it was the HG anyway.