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Thanks for your post.

It has nothing to do with the fact that Abraham sinned with Hagar. Technically speaking however, the Ten Commandments had not been issued at the time.

What does that have to do with the fornicating, lust and power driven, Joseph Smith.

On another topic, one ex-LDS poster on another board discussing this very issue, had this to say:

“I’d like to throw in a comment on “discovering the history.” It’s not that there’s bad history. As was pointed out, every religion has bad history. What hurts and is demeaning is to discover that your religion, the people you trusted to “do the thinking for you” have lied to you. It is deeply personal and, frankly, feels terrible. You feel violated in the same way you would if you were molested. These people took advantage of your confidence and used you— used your time, your money, your power to bolster themselves. It is quite obvious the church has no integrity, no commitment to the principles that Jesus Christ taught. There is no humility, no confession of wrongdoing, EVER. Only speaking for myself, I felt I had to choose between a life of deception for the Church or a life of integrity. I chose the latter and praise God every day that I was lead out of Mormonism by freely reading the Bible. Pretend you are a sandal-wearing Jew, I thought, and that you didn’t know why Jesus was so popular. What does this guy have to say? I started with Matthew and by the end of Mark I realized that Jesus certainly wasn’t describing Mormonism. In fact, Mormonism is close to the Old Testament religion Jesus was doing away with. Mormonism “restores” the old spirit-crushing, unloving and cruel Old Testament Judaism that Jesus despised. “

http://www.topix.com/religion/latter-day-saints/2007/09/why-they-leave/

Technically speaking however, the Ten Commandments had not been issued at the time.

True, but SIN was still in the land!

NIV Genesis 4:7
If you do what is right, will you not be accepted? But if you do not do what is right, sin is crouching at your door; it desires to have you, but you must master it."

NIV Genesis 13:13
Now the men of Sodom were wicked and were sinning greatly against the LORD.

NIV Genesis 15:16
In the fourth generation your descendants will come back here, for the sin of the Amorites has not yet reached its full measure."

NIV Genesis 18:20-21
20. Then the LORD said, "The outcry against Sodom and Gomorrah is so great and their sin so grievous
21. that I will go down and see if what they have done is as bad as the outcry that has reached me. If not, I will know."

NIV Genesis 20:6
Then God said to him in the dream, "Yes, I know you did this with a clear conscience, and so I have kept you from sinning against me. That is why I did not let you touch her.

NIV Genesis 31:36
Jacob was angry and took Laban to task. "What is my crime?" he asked Laban. "What sin have I committed that you hunt me down?

NIV Genesis 39:8-9
8. But he refused. "With me in charge," he told her, "my master does not concern himself with anything in the house; everything he owns he has entrusted to my care.
9. No one is greater in this house than I am. My master has withheld nothing from me except you, because you are his wife. How then could I do such a wicked thing and sin against God?"

NIV Genesis 42:22
Reuben replied, "Didn't I tell you not to sin against the boy? But you wouldn't listen! Now we must give an accounting for his blood."

NIV Genesis 50:17
`This is what you are to say to Joseph: I ask you to forgive your brothers the sins and the wrongs they committed in treating you so badly.' Now please forgive the sins of the servants of the God of your father." When their message came to him, Joseph wept.

NIV Exodus 9:27
Then Pharaoh summoned Moses and Aaron. "This time I have sinned," he said to them. "The LORD is in the right, and I and my people are in the wrong.

NIV Exodus 9:34
When Pharaoh saw that the rain and hail and thunder had stopped, he sinned again: He and his officials hardened their hearts.

NIV Exodus 10:16-17
16. Pharaoh quickly summoned Moses and Aaron and said, "I have sinned against the LORD your God and against you.
17. Now forgive my sin once more and pray to the LORD your God to take this deadly plague away from me."

NIV Exodus 20:1
And God spoke all these words:

It has nothing to do with the fact that Abraham sinned with Hagar.

Technically speaking however, the Ten Commandments had not been issued at the time.

FOTFLMHO

Lets just ignore about dispensations!

Unbelievable Hillary could take lesson....

I wonder what percent of Mormons who discover the truth give up on all religion.

I’d bet its rather high.

It has nothing to do with the fact that Abraham sinned with Hagar. Technically speaking however, the Ten Commandments had not been issued at the time.

That doesn't make sense. You said before that it has everything to do with Abraham sinning. And if you think that the sin of adultery is only limited to the ten commandments and afterward, please explain Joseph and Potiphars wife. Joseph fled from before her so as to not "sin against God."and ended up in prison for years for it.

Further, as I just mentioned to JRochelle, to cast such aspersions upon Sarai is also to do the same to both Rachael and Leah, plural wives to Jacob, grandson of Abraham. Both of these women gave their handmaids to Jacob to wife, so as to concieve children that they could not have on their own. (Gen. 30: 1-12)