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Posted on 09/24/2007 8:16:13 AM PDT by colorcountry
Being excommunicated for apostasy by the Mormon church is one thing, but Lyndon Lamborn is livid that his stake president has ordered bishops in eight Mesa wards to take the rare step of announcing disciplinary action against him to church members today. "I thought if he could go public, so can I," said Lamborn, a lifelong member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, who said his research into church history gave him "thousands of reasons the church can't be what it claims to be."
Stake President R. James Molina acknowledged Friday he intends to have Lamborn's excommunication announced to the wards at men's priesthood meetings and womens Relief Society gatherings, even with Lamborn now taking his case public. Molina, as well as officials at church headquarters in Salt Lake City, call such a public warning about an ousted member extremely rare. They say, however, church members must be protected from what discordant ex-followers may say to damage the church...................
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I know a guy who got ex-communicated TWICE but there’s still hope. He attends regularly, can have a calling and takes the Sacrament (communion). He has not had the Priesthood restored. Hopefully, some day . . .
When Jimmy Swaggert fell, what happened to him? They have Church disciplinary actions, don’t they? I wouldn’t want to belong to a Church that turned a blind eye to evil/bad behavior. That would be a bad example to the world.
This guy is just a troublemaker. If he really thought the Church was deceitful and full of liars and creeps, he’d just leave. But, oh, no, he wants to hang around, blab his opinions, make his wife feel embarrassed, and harass people. Go away, already. If he ever wants to come back, and stop his silly babbling, he’ll be welcomed with open arms.
All Jimmy's large congregation left except for a few dozen and all his money coming in dried up. I think he had to sell the land where he was building a college. He is still on tv at weird hours but no one will listen to him anymore. He really disgraced himself.
To me Jimmy Swaggert situation is like a double edgesword
First of all I don’t care for TV evangelist I use to enjoy Pat Roberson and his people interest stories.
He fell from grace and repented it was sort of creepy to me, yet who am I to judge on some level I am sure he might have been sincere
I think because of stumbling blocks he did the best he knew how the way he has always witness from other in how they thought it should be done!
~”Most of the one’s I’ve known will admit their actions forced the church to ex them and hope to return some day.”~
That’s a good point, Grig. Excommunication is -not- the end of the story. It is designed to be part of the repentance process for serious sin. In many cases, people realize just what they’ve lost, and they want it back. It prompts them to put their lives in order and return.
Generally speaking, anybody who is excommunicated can be readmitted into the Church, upon conditions of repentance.
You keep comparing the LDS Church leaders to men like Jimmy Swaggart. It is disengenious of you Saundra. You know that your Church claims to be the only one with the fulness of the gospel and the only one with the holy priesthood. How come your priesthood holders fall as regularly as anyone in any Church anywhere. Could it be that you belong to just another “Church” populated with sinners just like everyone?
That is another reason for the falsness of Joseph Smith’s claim of retoration. We all sin. You guys have no “more truth.” Christ died for sinners - that’s the only truth that’s needed.
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Been there done that, had the coffee, rarin’ to go.
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Oh BTW resty,
How many of his wives did Joseph Smith have sex with?
why you got a youtube!
So, you won’t answer?
But, like Guiliani in drag, it's there for all to see.
MindReading alert!
To do so is to assume certain 'facts' which as NOT on the evidence table.
The truth according to him.
All Sandra did was point out that churches disciplining members is not a unique feature of Mormonism, hardly a comparison of Swaggart to any LDS leader.
“How come your priesthood holders fall as regularly as anyone in any Church anywhere.”
Where is your data to support that claim?
“Could it be that you belong to just another “Church” populated with sinners just like everyone?”
The truth is the truth regardless of what individuals, or how many of them, don’t accept it or fail to live it. Having the fullness of the gospel doesn’t prevent someone from feeling temptation or remove their freedom to choose to sin so even if your claim is correct (which I doubt), even if MORE Mormon leaders wind up getting ex’ed than leaders of other churches, the statistic means nothing when it comes to evaluating the truthfulness of the gospel. Wouldn’t Satan work harder on those who had the truth?
You objected to the very notion of excommunication for ANY reason, and have been shown in scripture it being ordered by an apostle of God. You called it cultic and have been shown many, many orthodox churches that also do it.
So; instead of defending the doctrine, the messenger gets shot.
Ok then...
17 It no sooner appeared than I found myself adelivered from the enemy which held me bound. When the light rested upon me I bsaw two cPersonages, whose brightness and dglory defy all description, estanding above me in the air. One of them spake unto me, calling me by name and said, pointing to the other—This is My fBeloved gSon. Hear Him!18 My object in going to ainquire of the Lord was to know which of all the sects was right, that I might know which to join. No sooner, therefore, did I get possession of myself, so as to be able to speak, than I asked the Personages who stood above me in the light, which of all the sects was right (for at this time it had never entered into my heart that all were wrong)—and which I should join.19 I was answered that I must join none of them, for they were all awrong; and the Personage who addressed me said that all their creeds were an abomination in his sight; that those bprofessors were all ccorrupt; that: “they ddraw near to me with their lips, but their ehearts are far from me, they teach for doctrines the fcommandments of men, having a form of godliness, but they deny the gpower thereof.”20 He again forbade me to join with any of them; and many other things did he say unto me, which I cannot write at this time. When I came to myself again, I found myself alying on my back, looking up into heaven. When the light had departed, I had no strength; but soon recovering in some degree, I went home. And as I leaned up to the fireplace, bmother inquired what the matter was. I replied, “Never mind, all is well—I am well enough off.” I then said to my mother, “I have learned for myself that Presbyterianism is not true.”
Excommunication is different in other Churches. The LDS believe that blessings and Celestial glory are contingent upon Church membership. Other CHRISTIAN religion understand that only God knows where each of us stand, perhaps only in Catholicism and Mormonism does one equate excommunication with a loss of eternal exaltation.
Will you deny this too?
Those who commit adultery while they are married. You know, the covenant, promise, and vow they make during the marriage ceremony to cleave to one another and no other. Or don’t you believe that?
If a person is divorced and remarries, then of course they are not committing adultery. They are married.
Gee, Officer...
All I was doing was waving this raw meat around in front of the Lion and the darned thing BIT me!!!
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