[Salvation]

If I am not mistaken there are Scripture references here as well as testamonies from the Early Church Fathers on this thread.

The Early Church Fathers on the Immaculate Conception - Catholic/Orthodox Caucus

[Mad Dawg]

One issue is that We Calflicks read the Bible very differently from the way others do. Others find typology ridiculous, for example.

Dungeon Master, a man of great virtue, piety, and motorcyle, finds in the sayings of Our Lord about "Who are my brothers...?" and "yeah rather, blessed are those that hear ..." a kind of pre-emptive stifling of Marian piety. TO me that seems akin to typological reading, but to him it seems as plain as a pikestaff. I read the Lord overshadowing the ark and I see a 'type' of Our Lady. But when I say so, some slap their foreheads and appeal with lifted hands to heaven against such readings INTO the text, as they see it.

So the apologetic problem seems very great, either way.

[Revelation 911]

Sorry, I can’t respond on this thread.