Posted on 08/10/2007 9:39:37 PM PDT by Salvation
It sounds like Tertulian was doing it (250 AD) even as the Church was still putting the Bible together in its final form.
I thought there were crosses in Protestant churches.
Some...Not all...
Thank goodness there’s some Biblical churches left.
Do they put their hands together when they pray?
Nonsense...People are saved by accepting Jesus Christ as their Savior...Understanding the process often comes later...
Creation of one’s own church will surely lead to hell.
More nonsense...I two or more are gathered together, Jesus is in the midst of the bunch...
When a person gets saved, he/she is the church...The Body...Has nothing to do with a religious organization of sinners, some possibly saved and some not...
The 'church' is spiritual...It is NOT physical...It doesn't matter how big and expensive your church is, or even if you have one... If you are not in the 'spiritual' church, you aren't in the church at all and you are not a Christian...
Privately interpreting Scripture will surely lead to hell.
As your church should well know since it is the King of private interpreters...But alas, you are wrong again...
Fortunately, you don't have to be right about too many things in the scripture other than the way to salvation...If you got THAT right, you'll still make it to Heaven, and lucky for you guys...
I don't agree at all...All you need to know is that you are a sinner and that a God exists that can save you...And all you have to do is ask Him...
The Trinity is part of Christianity.
Yes, it certainly is...But knowing that will not save you...And not knowing that will not prevent you from getting saved...
You start twisting things like that, someone's going to think you are a Catholic...
I did NOT say belief in Jesus Christ as your Saviour would not save you...I said belief in the Trinity as 1 in 3, and 3 in 1 will not save you...
Nice try though...
Can't be...Your church would be nothing without the scripture, even tho it's (the scripture) severely abused...
There are plenty of folks that have a very 'deep faith' in God who never set foot in one of your churches but are fed directly thru the word of God, the scripture...
Yep, just say the sinner’s prayer. All ya gotta do. One time. It’s in the Bible.
That’s right. You can believe God is four-in-twelve if you want and Jesus and The Father are cousins if you want. Don’t matter.
Trinity is just another of those traditions of men.
I don’t see how your post contradicts mine — except for the “Can’t be” part. You put some other controversial statements in there, but while I disagree with them to some extent, they don’t have anything to do with what I said.
OK, good. I thought you were denying the Trinity. My apologies. I fully agree with you that (a) “All you need to know is that you are a sinner and that a God exists that can save you...And all you have to do is ask Him...” and (b) “But knowing that will not save you...”
But you’re wrong on this point:
“And not knowing that will not prevent you from getting saved...”
Knowing that God is a Trinity in Unity will not save you. Satan knows that. (He may even understand it better than I do, which ain't hard.)
Not knowing it will not damn you, I think. You could not know it through invincible ignorance or other incapacity. You could have been given the grace to say the sinner's prayer and know as little about the Catholic Church and what she teaches as some of our antagonists here know (or even less), and not have their opportunities to learn. "A broken and contrite heart He will not despise." Willful ignorance on the other hand could prove to be mortal.
I think the "means of grace" provide immeasurable assistance, and sound doctrine is better and more useful than no or wrong doctrine.
No, the sign of the cross won’t save you....the faith that causes one to cross himself in honor of the Lord is what saves him.
Belief in the Holy Trinity is indeed belief in G_d in three distinct persons. Jesus himself breathed on them (the apostles) and began the work of the Holy Spirit in their lives.
Excellent post, thank you...
...agreed...post #13 was an excellent response, albeit no doubt unheeded, to an insolent previous post...
Your church would be nothing without the scripture, even tho it’s (the scripture) severely abused...
...a litle bit of detailed explanation of the above inane utterance would be of benefit...to us beknighted, uncool children of the papacy...
Doesn't the Bible tell us that it does not contain all of the works of Jesus Christ?
If it cannot contain all of His works, how could it contain all of the works of His Church?
And denying the Cross will? I think not.
Good thing the Church you disdain assembled those New Testament books for you.
Or did they get that part wrong, too? Oh, dear!
What!? How can a church claim to be a "Biblical church" if it doesn't believe in the Trinity?
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