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To: NYer
Does everyone have to obey the Catholic Church?

So in Catholics view, should you obey the Church over Christ, The Word?

4 posted on 07/31/2007 4:36:05 PM PDT by sirchtruth (No one has the RIGHT not to be offended...)
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To: sirchtruth
So in Catholics view, should you obey the Church over Christ, The Word?

If you have read through this post in its entirety, then you recognize that Christ established one Church and gave His authority to His disciples to rule and teach. His word is carried on through that Church:

"He that heareth you, heareth Me; and he that despiseth you, despiseth Me; and he that despiseth Me, despiseth Him that sent Me."  
  (Luke 10:16)

He never commanded anyone to write down His words. Everyone must obey the Catholic Church because She alone has the authority of Jesus to rule and to teach.

7 posted on 07/31/2007 4:58:58 PM PDT by NYer ("Where the bishop is present, there is the Catholic Church" - Ignatius of Antioch)
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To: sirchtruth

The Church is Christ. They are one. Christ is at the head, we are the members of His Body.

Moreover, The Holy Spirit guides the Catholic Church in her Magisterial (Teaching and Sacramental) Role. This the belief of the Catholic Church: that the descendants of the Apostles (bishops) receive anointing by and through the Holy Spirit to transmit unaltered the Truths that Christ revealed and to continue the Church through the ages by ministering the Sacrament of Orders, established by Christ at the Last Supper.

All the Sacraments are direct actions of Christ Himself working through those whom He anoints through the power of the Holy Spirit.

In short, to claim the Church is merely an earthly institution and not His own gift to those whom He has called is to deny all that Christ taught. It is disingenuous to claim that a thing called the Bible transmits truth more authentically than persons anointed in Christ to teach what the Bible contains.

One thing I’d like a Protestant to prove: That the Bible is the Word of God. How could you know? (Quoting the Bible to prove it’s own authenticity really proves nothing.)


16 posted on 07/31/2007 5:28:43 PM PDT by wiley
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To: sirchtruth

The Church was founded by Jesus, and is guided by Him. Indeed, He identifies Himself with the Church (Acts 9:4-5). It is His Mystical Body, and it cannot err in doctrine or moral teaching, in spite of the sins, failings and cowardice of its individual members.


60 posted on 07/31/2007 8:03:06 PM PDT by magisterium
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