Women Anointed Catholic Deacons, Priest in Santa Barbara CA

Independent ^ | July 26, 2007 | Martha Sadler

[Scotswife]

“My name is Napoleon.

I’m an emperor.”

LOL!

My name is Tina Turner.
I have fantastic legs and millions of dollars.

[FormerLib]

Does anyone know how often the Pope hears about these things? He’s obviously not on FreeRepublic or searching the blogosphere...

Yeah, I guess it's reasonable to assume that he might be busy with other things...

[Scotswife]

“The name is withheld to protect the guilty — who don’t want to lose their jobs — with the Church!”

Good point.
I’m guessing these ladies are DRE’s.
Or are leading their parish RCIA programs.

[Forest Keeper]

... I figured that a commentary on it wouldn’t hurt and might actually help some other FReepers and lurkers.

Indeed it did. Thanks GCC. God Bless!

[Scotswife]

do they really refer to her as “Father” Mary Ramerman?

“Father”????

[Scotswife]

“If a new and legitimate Roman Catholic Church opened today, who would have to sanction it for it to be “official”?”

I’m just a layperson, so this is my best guess.

I’m guessing the local Bishop would have to approve of the plan, oversee it, and ensure it is properly consecrated upon completion.

If a consecrated Church within the Bishop’s jurisdiction is misused in this manner, it would make sense for the Bishop to excommunicate all those involved including the parish pastor that enabled the ceremony.

There are times when churches are reconsecrated when the sanctuary has been defiled.
I’m not sure when that is necessary and when it is not.

[Forest Keeper]

I’m guessing the local Bishop would have to approve of the plan, oversee it, and ensure it is properly consecrated upon completion.

Thanks, Scotswife. I wasn't sure if the Vatican (or a Cardinal, etc.) was directly involved with this sort of thing or not. I figured "somebody" had to sign off on it. :)

[Campion]

The local bishop has to give permission for the erection of any sort of Catholic chapel in his diocese, if the Blessed Sacrament is to be reserved there.

That would include any parish church. He would also normally perform the actual consecration liturgy of a parish church in his diocese.

[Forest Keeper]

Thanks, Campion.

[Salvation]

**ROFL!!**

Me too!

[Salvation]

These gals????????Haven't yet made this list. Give them time!!! LOL!

Dissenting authors and speakers listed on Our Lady's Warriors:

 

Women Priests
Sr. Lavinia Byrne	Book titled Women at the Altar (condemned by the Congregation for the Doctrine of Faith)
Sr. Joan Chittister, OSB	A supporter of Call to Action who promotes women priests.
Paul Collins, ex-priest	Author of the books "Papal Power" and "Mixed Blessings," who was under investigation by the Vatican claims since 1998, claims that it is ìfar too earlyî for definitive closure on the issue of womenís ordination.
Sr. Fran Ferder	Quixote Center book titled Called to Break Bread? A Psychological Investigation of 100 Women Who Feel Called to the Priesthood in the Catholic Church. As co-author of a National Catholic Reporter article dated 5/12/02 she states "Central to a more inclusive, open system, is, of course, the need to welcome sacramental ministers from all lifestyles and both genders."
Barbara Fiand	Theologian teaching that women should be priests.
Maureen Fiedler	Interim Co-Coordinator of Women's Ordination Conference.
Ruth Fitzpatrick	Women's Ordination Conference.
Fr. John Heagle	As co-author of an article printed in the National Catholic Reporter dated 5/12/02 he states "Central to a more inclusive, open system, is, of course, the need to welcome sacramental ministers from all lifestyles and both genders."
Andrea M. Johnson	Women's Ordination Conference National Coordinator and support of Catholic Organizations for Renewal.
Sr. Elizabeth Johnson	Promotes Women priests.
Sr. Theresa Kane, R.S.M	Promotes Women priests.
Fr. Richard McBrien	Claims that a future Pope must overturn the infallible document disallowing women "priests" (Ordinatio Sacerdotalis).
Sr. Ruth Sch”fer	Organized "Action Purple Stole," a womens' ordination protest.
Christine Schenk	FutureChurch, Women in Church Leadership (WICL).
Sandra Schneiders (cited in Renew 2000)	Speaker at Call to Action conferences.
Karen Schwarz	Coordinates San Francisco Women's Ordination Conference/WomenChurch.
Bishop "Willie" Walsh	Bishop of Killaloe Ireland said that he would happily ordain women and that the Church "missed out" by not doing so.
Fr. John Wijngaards	Author of "Did Christ rule out women priests?"
(ex-Bishop) Romulo Antonio Braschi: Christine Mayr- Lumetzberger, Adelinde Theresia Roitinger, Gisela Forster, Iris Muller, Ida Raming, Pia Brunner, Angela White	Seven women who went through a mock ordination ceremony  held by a schismatic ex-bishop Antonio Braschi. See their  warning and subsequent formal excommunication notice here.

 

[LadyDoc]

Right. A lesbian and an apostate nun decide they want to become “Catholic” priests and then deny that they just excommunicated themselves.

And the reported just regurgitated their lies.

What’s wrong with this picture?

[maryz]

Does anyone know how often the Pope hears about these things?

AFAIK, the Pope (like JP II) wants to avoid open schism -- makes things harder to heal. I think he is moving to calm down the more febrile manifestations, e.g., with the motu proprio.

[maryz]

You seem to grasp the implications of mortal sin, but don't forget (as too many Catholics seem to) that, while "grave matter" is a necessary condition for mortal sin, the other conditions (full knowledge and full consent of the will) are also necessary, and these are interior matters that can't usually be known by the observer.

I saw an article in First Things a few months ago in which the author mentioned medical/psychological conditions that apparently affect culpability -- he thinks these are part of the grounds for "Judge not, that ye be not judged." Condemn wrongful acts, certainly, but I've always found it more salutary to worry about my own spiritual state than to draw conclusions about that of others -- my own opinion, anyway!

[maryz]

I’m guessing these ladies are DRE’s. Or are leading their parish RCIA programs.

I hadn't even thought of that specifically! But I'm awfully afraid you're right . . . . I've never understood why these types are so drawn to "church work" -- either paid or volunteer, where they operate under a kind of religious Gresham's Law!

[Scotswife]

“I’ve never understood why these types are so drawn to “church work” — either paid or volunteer, where they operate under a kind of religious Gresham’s Law!”

I guess if you want “change” -then attaining those positions put you in a place where you can at least influence those who haven’t yet been indoctrinated about patriarchial oppression.

Then they’re in an easier position to start nagging Father about giving the homilies.

[mware]

Very sad, both of the people in that photo have excommunicatred themselves by their actions.

[ejo]

"Church of Female superiority"

Wow! you hit the nail on the head! That's what this is all about, women, want their cake and eat it also....

[NYer]

Why don’t they they just call themselves the Church of Female Superiority and be done with it?

In your heart, you know the answer. These women seek something they can never have within the Catholic Church. What did God say to Eve in the Garden of Eden? She could have everything but the fruit of the tree of wisdom. Who whispered in her ear? The Prince of Lies.

And so it remains today. He whispers in the ears of these women and promises they will be equal to men. By continuing to call themselves Roman Catholic, they attract the media. They in turn publish the story and weak Catholics fall prey, out of sympathy and envy. These women are nothing more than tools of Satan to lure the faithful away from the Truth. They all feed off of each other.

[Scotswife]

“That’s what this is all about, women, want their cake and eat it also....”

yes they want that - but more. They seem determined to trample men down where they belong.
They despise the description of God as “Father”- but that description came from the Savior Himself - who unfortunately is also a man.

In our diocese they’re determined to use gender neutral language during reading of scripture,even if it changes the underlying meaning of the passages.

There are small groups praying “Our Father who art in heaven, our Mother who art in heaven” - and they are not referring to Mary, because they strangely don’t care much for her.

They won’t come right out and say they hate men - but they really must.