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To: FatherofFive

Ah, so you are DENYING the Traditional Trinity then? After all, the Traditional Trinity is describing a MATHEMATICAL ONE God. The three Persons are only supposed to be Hypostasis [in one ousia], with the ousia as the sole individual reality.

So here we are, with a mathematically single God having three “masks.”

You are saying the fact the “Son” mask changed from solely “God” to “God + Man” doesn’t mean the “Father” mask changed.

I NEVER said it was, only referencing the hint of John 5:19 “whatever the Father does the Son also does”. Your INITIAL condemnation was on “God” changing. I merely pointed out the fact, according to Traditional Christianity, there is only supposed to be one God in the mathematical sense, and if any of its three Persons change, ipso facto, the God changes.

Is the Son [part of] the one “God”? Yes. Did he “change”? Yes. Therefore, God changed.

It is obvious the biblical declaration of God’s immutability is NOT a blanket statement, covering all concepts. For example, can God change his mind?

As for your argument against the very clear John 5:19’s “whatever the Father does the Son also does” - might I suggest a re-think’s in order?

“Does” is an ACTION. While it is possible to credibly say every single thing the Son did has a parallel from the Father’s actions; it is also possible to say the replication is more general.

Stop twisting the Bible’s words! The serpent’s declaration is on the ability to “know good from evil” - that is what being “like God” means in the context of Genesis (Gen 3:22 And the LORD God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil ...).

I already provided the link to my book on exaltation (http://www.fortunecity.com/meltingpot/bicycleroad/21/id33.htm ). Please don’t regurgitate that old argument unless you actually read and refute my book. It really looks bad and speaks volumes about you.

Of course, bigotry against someone just because he has different religious views automatically tells me the level of intellectual credibility ...


842 posted on 07/31/2007 6:46:44 AM PDT by Edward Watson (Fanatics with guns beat liberals with ideas)
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To: Edward Watson; verga
So here we are, with a mathematically single God having three “masks.”

You don’t understand the Trinity, and this shows up in your arguments and leads to errors. Believe me, the Trinity it is a difficult concept. You may want to read Frank Sheed’s “Theology and Sanity” for what is perhaps the best discussion of Trinity written.

A single God with three masks is the wrong description. That was an early heresy in Christianity. In the third century, Sabellius claimed there is only one person in the Godhead, so that the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit are all one person with different "offices," rather than three persons who are one being in the Godhead. One nature, three distinct persons. We humans are created beings in His image, but are of a different nature from God. The Father, Son and Holy Spirit are of one nature, none a created being.

I already provided the link to my book on exaltation

I looked at your book, and the error is in the very first paragraphs of the second chapter (Which I opened first.):

“The scriptural teachings that humanity are spirit offspring of God shall be the staging area to arrive at the doctrine of exaltation. Being the offspring of God explains why Heavenly Father would sacrifice Jesus for us.”

This is where your error come in and gets compounded with later proof-texting. We are not ‘spirit offspring’ – rather, we are created beings with a different nature from God. Check with Genesis – it is very clear that we are created. When I ‘create’ a wooden table it still has the nature of wood, not of me.

No righteous Father would sacrifice and torture his Son for the sake of some creatures he made. I would never sacrifice any of my children for the sake of some paperclips, why would Heavenly Father do it with Jesus?

“For God so loved the world that he gave his only begotten Son that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.

This is why you are not God, and will never be God.(Me neither!)

Of course, bigotry against someone just because he has different religious views automatically tells me the level of intellectual credibility ...

Please don’t call names. When you point your finger, three are pointing back at you.

877 posted on 07/31/2007 11:29:05 AM PDT by FatherofFive (Choose life!)
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To: Edward Watson

Discuss the issues all you want, but do not make it personal.


878 posted on 07/31/2007 11:35:27 AM PDT by Religion Moderator
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To: Edward Watson
Of course, bigotry against someone just because he has different religious views automatically tells me the level of intellectual credibility ...

Of course, bigotry is what some of us LDS organization members say is anything that does not totally agree with what we say is our beliefs.

There IS no middle ground!

--MormonDude

881 posted on 07/31/2007 12:16:05 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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