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“They would rather see a Democrat win than give legitimacy to a false religion. For us, the higher and more important issue is an eternal one.”

Elect the democrats and you will have them cutting into your freedom to worship, restricting you from living your faith, erasing America’s Christian culture, and indoctrinating every man, woman, and child they can in secularism and homosexuality. You don’t think that will have eternal consequences on anyone? It will, and they won’t have a whole lot of choice about it.

A faithful LDS POTUS on the other hand would defend your religious liberty, including your right to go out and attach the church he belongs to.

It really is insulting of Americans to suggest that just because the POTUS is a Mormon that they will jump to the conclusion that Mormonism is true, give up smoking, refuse alcohol, go to church for 3 hours every Sunday, pay tithes to the church, dress modestly, reject abortion, and refuse to engage in sexual relations outside of a traditional marriage.

How does an LDS POTUS give any more legitimacy to the church than other successfully Mormons like Orson Scott Card, Steve Young, Gladys Knight? What about people who live beside or work with faithful Mormons, they get to see up close and personal how legitimate our faith is.

If you really want to keep people from finding out what we are like, you are going to have to round us all up in camps and put guards around us so you can demonize us without people having a real life Mormon around to compare to the image you want to sell.

When you’ve done that with us, will you be going after Jews next? Don’t they keep people from finding Christ too?

First of all, I am not “electing a Democrat”. I have never, and would not vote for a liberal. Liberalism is just as dangerous as Mormonism. I said (for the umpteenth time) that I would vote for a third party. You can throw the “a vote for a third party is a vote for the Dems” if you’d like, but it is simply untrue. My vote for a third party is just that - a vote for a third party. I must stand before God and give account for my actions, including my vote. I don’t think He’ll accept the excuse of not wanting Republicans to lose the election of 2008.

I know this has been a very long thread, so you may have missed the numerous times I’ve explained myself, but I will say it **one more time**. An election in 2008 is of far less importance than where someone will spend eternity.

One can not compare Gladys Knight and the President of the U.S. The president is the most powerful and important man in the world.

Your assertion that Christians would like to round up all Mormons and put them in camps is just (sorry) silly and not really worth the benefit of a reply. No one has ever made such a hysterical suggestion.

Jews do not accept Christ, but they do not claim Christianity, either. My main problem with Mormonism is that they claim to be Christian, yet they do not teach or accept the Gospel according to Scripture. So, when someone who might be seeking after the truth hears that Mormons are “Christian”, they might be more inclined to believe it if it’s promoted by the president. They might accept its teachings, believe that they are Christian (as evidenced by many in this thread), die deceived, and end up in Hell. That’s why I would never vote for Romney.

It’s obvious that this upsets you, but there you have it. This is not an opinion that is only accepted by me. I’ve heard many other Evangelicals say the same thing.

All this is moot anyway, IMO. I do not believe that Romney will will the Republican primary. He’s too inconsistent on important issues. He will not bring out the vote among Christians, IMO.

A faithful LDS POTUS on the other hand would defend your religious liberty, including your right to go out and attach the church he belongs to.

I can agree with this.

But THESE folks were sure worried about having THEIR church attached!

There is nothing in my teachings to the Church or in those of my associates, during the time specified, which can be reasonably construed to inculcate or encourage polygamy; and when any Elder of the Church has used language which appeared to convey any such teaching, he has been promptly reproved. And I now publicly declare that my advice to the Latter-day Saints is to refrain from contracting any marriage forbidden by the law of the land.

WILFORD WOODRUFF
President of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.

President Lorenzo Snow offered the following:

“I move that, recognizing Wilford Woodruff as the President of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, and the only man on the earth at the present time who holds the keys of the sealing ordinances, we consider him fully authorized by virtue of his position to issue the Manifesto which has been read in our hearing, and which is dated September 24th, 1890, and that as a Church in General Conference assembled, we accept his declaration concerning plural marriages as authoritative and binding.”

The vote to sustain the foregoing motion was unanimous.

Salt Lake City, Utah, October 6, 1890.

EXCERPTS FROM THREE ADDRESSES BY
PRESIDENT WILFORD WOODRUFF
REGARDING THE MANIFESTO

The Lord will never permit me or any other man who stands as President of this Church to lead you astray. It is not in the programme. It is not in the mind of God. If I were to attempt that, the Lord would remove me out of my place, and so He will any other man who attempts to lead the children of men astray from the oracles of God and from their duty. (Sixty-first Semiannual General Conference of the Church, Monday, October 6, 1890, Salt Lake City, Utah. Reported in Deseret Evening News, October 11, 1890, p. 2.)

It matters not who lives or who dies, or who is called to lead this Church, they have got to lead it by the inspiration of Almighty God. If they do not do it that way, they cannot do it at all. . . .

I have had some revelations of late, and very important ones to me, and I will tell you what the Lord has said to me. Let me bring your minds to what is termed the manifesto. . . .

The Lord has told me to ask the Latter-day Saints a question, and He also told me that if they would listen to what I said to them and answer the question put to them, by the Spirit and power of God, they would all answer alike, and they would all believe alike with regard to this matter.

The question is this: Which is the wisest course for the Latter-day Saints to pursue—to continue to attempt to practice plural marriage, with the laws of the nation against it and the opposition of sixty millions of people, and

at the cost of the confiscation and loss of all the Temples, and the stopping of all the ordinances therein, both for the living and the dead, and the imprisonment of the First Presidency and Twelve and the heads of families in the Church, and the confiscation of personal property of the people (all of which of themselves would stop the practice); or, after doing and suffering what we have through our adherence to this principle to cease the practice and submit to the law, and through doing so leave the Prophets, Apostles and fathers at home, so that they can instruct the people and attend to the duties of the Church, and also leave the Temples in the hands of the Saints, so that they can attend to the ordinances of the Gospel, both for the living and the dead?

The Lord showed me by vision and revelation exactly what would take place if we did not stop this practice. If we had not stopped it, you would have had no use for . . . any of the men in this temple at Logan; for all ordinances would be stopped throughout the land of Zion. Confusion would reign throughout Israel, and many men would be made prisoners. This trouble would have come upon the whole Church, and we should have been compelled to stop the practice. Now, the question is, whether it should be stopped in this manner, or in the way the Lord has manifested to us, and leave our Prophets and Apostles and fathers free men, and the temples in the hands of the people,

so that the dead may be redeemed. A large number has already been delivered from the prison house in the spirit world by this people, and shall the work go on or stop? This is the question I lay before the Latter-day Saints. You have to judge for yourselves. I want you to answer it for yourselves. I shall not answer it; but I say to you that that is exactly the condition we as a people would have been in had we not taken the course we have.

. . . I saw exactly what would come to pass if there was not something done. I have had this spirit upon me for a long time. But I want to say this: I should have let all the temples go out of our hands; I should have gone to prison myself, and let every other man go there, had not the God of heaven commanded me to do what I did do; and when the hour came that I was commanded to do that, it was all clear to me. I went before the Lord, and I wrote what the Lord told me to write. . . .

I leave this with you, for you to contemplate and consider. The Lord is at work with us. (Cache Stake Conference, Logan, Utah, Sunday, November 1, 1891. Reported in Deseret Weekly, November 14, 1891.)

Now I will tell you what was manifested to me and what the Son of God performed in this thing. . . . All these things would have come to pass, as God Almighty lives, had not that Manifesto been given. Therefore, the Son of God felt disposed to have that thing presented to the Church and to the world for purposes in his own mind. The Lord had decreed the establishment of Zion. He had decreed the finishing of this temple. He had decreed that the salvation of the living and the dead should be given in these valleys of the mountains. And Almighty God decreed that the Devil should not thwart it. If you can understand that, that is a key to it. (From a discourse at the sixth session of the dedication of the Salt Lake Temple, April 1893. Typescript of Dedicatory Services, Archives, Church Historical Department, Salt Lake City, Utah.)