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Posted on 07/26/2007 5:03:33 PM PDT by tantiboh
Democratic political consultant Mark Mellman has a very good piece up today at The Hill on the baffling and illegitimate opposition among voters to Mitt Romney due to his religion. I liked his closing paragraphs:
In July of 1958, 24 percent of respondents told Gallup they would not vote for a Catholic for president, almost identical to Gallup’s reading on Mormons today. Two years later, John F. Kennedy became the first Catholic to assume the oath of office. Within eight months, the number refusing to vote for a Catholic was cut almost in half.
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Mellman also discusses an interesting poll he helped construct, in which the pollsters asked half of their respondents whether they would support a candidate with certain characteristics, and asked the other half about another candidate with the exact same characteristics, with one difference. The first candidate was Baptist, the second candidate was Mormon. The Baptist had a huge advantage over the Mormon candidate, by about 20 points.
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However, more recent polls have attempted to fix the anonymity problem. A recent Time Magazine poll (read the original report here), for example, got to the heart of the question by asking respondents if they are less likely to vote for Mitt Romney specifically because he is a Mormon. The result is not as bad as some reporting on the poll has suggested. For example, while 30% of Republicans say they are less likely to vote for Romney because of his religion, fully 15% of other Republicans say that characteristic makes them more likely to vote for him. And while many have reported the finding that 23% of Republicans are “worried” by Romney’s Mormonism, the more important (but less-reported) number is that 73% say they hold no such reservations...
(Excerpt) Read more at romneyexperience.com ...
From what I've gleaned from some LDS members on these threads; the teaching will come back around again in a few years, so you'll not be really missing anything.
not true.....they have been here for years.....usually rational and interesting posters can descend into blind allegiance when it comes to defending against any slight to their temple or their people.....
its not so much Romney that scares me....its his minions that can't see beyond their own little world..
for the record, I will vote for him if is the candidate....so will my family...( but hoping for Fred or Rudy)
It was revealed to me that your HATRED of us would showup when you asked this question!
The PROOF is in it's NUMBER!!!
--MormonDude(Not afraid of you; Beast!)
--MormonDude(offended!)
Yes I know what I meant, and I’ve explained it to you. You are ascribing motive to me.
What is your other screen name?
Just HOW do you 'know' those are AUTHENTIC??
Did it appear on an 'approved' LDS organization site??
Just what PERCENTAGE of those are correct??
HMmm...???
--MormonDue(Asking the questions normal American's won't answer.)
Have you paid your shrink for the Delusion Removal Process yet?
Don't: it didn't work.
The records speaks for itself.
Not the Mormon one: it has to be explained away.
Maybe; but the hostage return was the FIRST 'fix' of his Presidency!
Good Luck! (Hint: don't hold breath!)
Talk about paranoia. I have no other screen name.
Well I sure don't!
If you guys want to haggle between yourselves; do in in PRIVATE REPLY; please.
“Don’t forget on your list that you are a religious bigot for POTUS and “lesser offices” as well.”
Oops!
I am an anti cultist bigot for POTUS too!
sorry for the oversight!
ampu
It was, indeed. The next thing he did was make sure that Iran and Iraq were fighting each other, instead of making massive trouble for the West. He didn't spend American lives and treasure trying to "democratize" either side, he just helped each side kill off the other one. Oil prices declined, and the Western world took on the Soviets.
Ooh!
Let’s do this AGAIN!!
(Well... the Sunni’s and SHiite’s ARE doing it; aren’t they!)
That’s interesting.....there is another poster on FR that thinks I’m always talking about him too. In fact he thinks he is the focus of my life. The two of you are so similar I often get confused about who I am actually talking to.
No need for Private Reply when one can read minds. : D
Yes, and right now, our strategy is to play kindergarten cop in between them. I guess some people think it is working, we're dropping below a hundred US military killed per month again...
Like I mentioned before, I am doing this in jest, to demonstrate the folly of providing an evidence of Lincoln’s faith where no single proof exist one way or the other.
But..But...If you look at Joseph Smith’s Presidential Platform, Values of the U.S. Goverment, and Licoln’s “Pre”Emanicipation declaration (yes, seriously there was one) then one can help to notice the the similiarity.
Hmmm....Lincoln was residing Illionis at the same time as Joseph Smith and Smith was the first one to run a Platform like this in Illinois! Hmmm...Lincoln was the only Illinois politician which didn’t turn on the Saints. Lincoln signed the Navoo charter even though his party told him not to....Hmmmmm.
Anyway, Excerpt from Smith’s Platform——————
My cogitations, like Daniel’s, have for a long time troubled me, when I viewed the condition of men throughout the world, and more especially in this boasted realm, where the Declaration of Independence “holds these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal; that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights; that among these are life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness;” but at the same time some two or three millions of people are held as slaves for life, because the spirit in them is covered with a darker skin than ours; and hundreds of our own kindred for an infraction, or supposed infraction, of some over-wise statute, have to be incarcerated in dungeon gloom, or penitentiaries, while the duellist, the debauchee, and the defaulter for millions, and criminals, take the uppermost rooms at feasts, or, like the bird of passage, find a more congenial clime by flight.
The wisdom which ought to characterize the freest, wisest, and most noble nation of the nineteenth century, should, like the sun in his meridian splendor, warm every object beneath its rays; and the main efforts of her officers, who are nothing more nor less than the servants of the people, ought to be directed to ameliorate the condition of all, black or white, bond or free; for the best of books says, “God hath made of one blood all nations of men for to dwell on all the face of the earth.”
Our common country presents to all men the same advantages, the facilities, the same prospects, the same honors, and the same rewards; and without hypocrisy, the Constitution, when it says, “We, the people of the United States, in order to form a more perfect union, establish justice, ensure domestic tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general welfare, and secure the blessings of liberty to ourselves and our posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America,” meant just what it said without reference to color or condition, ad infinitum.
The aspirations and expectations of a virtuous people, environed with so wise, so liberal, so deep, so broad, and so high a charter of equal rights as appears in said Constitution, ought to be treated by those to whom the administration of the laws is entrusted with as much sanctity as the prayers of the Saints are treated in heaven, that love, confidence, and union, like the sun, moon, and stars, should bear witness,
“For ever singing as they shine,
The hand that made us is divine!”
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Petition, also, ye goodly inhabitants of the slave States, your legislators to abolish slavery by the year 1850, or now, and save the abolitionist from reproach and ruin, infamy and shame.
Pray Congress to pay every man a reasonable price for his slaves out of the surplus revenue arising
from the sale of public lands, and from the deduction of pay from the members of Congress.
Break off the shackles from the poor black man, and hire him to labor like other human beings; for “an hour of virtuous liberty on earth is worth a whole eternity of bondage.”
Lincoln’s “Pre”-Emanicipation recommended just like Smith’s declaration to use the money from the public sale of lands to free the Slave if the Slave states peacably ceased the war.
Also, here is Lincoln’s Gettysburgh address. Notice like Smith, the emphasis of equality.
Four score and seven years ago our fathers brought forth on this continent, a new nation, conceived in Liberty, and dedicated to the proposition that all men are created equal.
Now we are engaged in a great civil war, testing whether that nation, or any nation so conceived and so dedicated, can long endure. We are met on a great battle-field of that war. We have come to dedicate a portion of that field, as a final resting place for those who here gave their lives that that nation might live. It is altogether fitting and proper that we should do this.
But, in a larger sense, we can not dedicate — we can not consecrate — we can not hallow — this ground. The brave men, living and dead, who struggled here, have consecrated it, far above our poor power to add or detract. The world will little note, nor long remember what we say here, but it can never forget what they did here. It is for us the living, rather, to be dedicated here to the unfinished work which they who fought here have thus far so nobly advanced. It is rather for us to be here dedicated to the great task remaining before us — that from these honored dead we take increased devotion to that cause for which they gave the last full measure of devotion — that we here highly resolve that these dead shall not have died in vain — that this nation, under God, shall have a new birth of freedom — and that government of the people, by the people, for the people, shall not perish from the earth.
Yep, Lincoln was the first Mormon inspired president.
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