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Posted on 07/26/2007 5:03:33 PM PDT by tantiboh
Democratic political consultant Mark Mellman has a very good piece up today at The Hill on the baffling and illegitimate opposition among voters to Mitt Romney due to his religion. I liked his closing paragraphs:
In July of 1958, 24 percent of respondents told Gallup they would not vote for a Catholic for president, almost identical to Gallup’s reading on Mormons today. Two years later, John F. Kennedy became the first Catholic to assume the oath of office. Within eight months, the number refusing to vote for a Catholic was cut almost in half.
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Mellman also discusses an interesting poll he helped construct, in which the pollsters asked half of their respondents whether they would support a candidate with certain characteristics, and asked the other half about another candidate with the exact same characteristics, with one difference. The first candidate was Baptist, the second candidate was Mormon. The Baptist had a huge advantage over the Mormon candidate, by about 20 points.
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However, more recent polls have attempted to fix the anonymity problem. A recent Time Magazine poll (read the original report here), for example, got to the heart of the question by asking respondents if they are less likely to vote for Mitt Romney specifically because he is a Mormon. The result is not as bad as some reporting on the poll has suggested. For example, while 30% of Republicans say they are less likely to vote for Romney because of his religion, fully 15% of other Republicans say that characteristic makes them more likely to vote for him. And while many have reported the finding that 23% of Republicans are “worried” by Romney’s Mormonism, the more important (but less-reported) number is that 73% say they hold no such reservations...
(Excerpt) Read more at romneyexperience.com ...
The JSF is an exciting platform, I think, given its versatility and relatively low cost. Of course, being a jack of all trades, it will be a master of none, so won’t be as useful in taking air supremacy; that’s what the Raptor is for. Still, it’s a great workhorse platform. I’m glad our armed forces are finally getting their acts together and designing an intelligent plane (i.e. common parts, common maintenance, etc.).
It does appear that the Navy intends to buy a tailored variant. From Wikipedia:
“The U.S. Navy intends to buy 480 F-35Cs to replace the F/A-18A, -B, -C, and -D Hornets, which replaced subsonic but long-ranged attack types such as the A-7 Corsair and A-6 Intruder.”
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joint_Strike_Fighter#F-35C
How Could a Prophet Believe in Moonmen?
Jeff Lindsay
Van Hale
by Jeff Lindsay
There is no evidence from Joseph Smith’s day that he ever said such a thing. The sole source for this claim is one person’s journal entry from 1881 that was published in 1892. Joseph died in 1844. Can we trust an alleged reminiscence separated by decades and unattested by anyone else? It’s not the kind of thing that ought to make anyone lose an iota of faith or sleep.
But suppose Joseph did think that people lived on the moon - so what? Many people did in the early 1800s. There had been a newspaper hoax in Joseph’s day in which it was claimed that Sir John Herschel had discovered that the moon was inhabited by people. If Joseph or Brigham Young or other Church leaders believed such errant reports, does it make those men false prophets?
If President Hinckley, in the course of routine conversation, describes atoms in terms of the old model with spherical electrons in fixed orbits around a nucleus, has he lost credibility as a revelator chosen by God? Did any Old Testament prophet show a knowledge of science close to that of President Hinckley, or a knowledge that would be acceptable to the hard-hearted Bible critics of today?
Did any of them grasp the nature of subatomic particles, of relativity, or - much easier - did they know the value of pi or proper ways to classify birds and mammals? If President Hinckley as a matter of opinion says that he expects the Green Bay Packers to go to the Superbowl, should we reject him if the Packers fall short? We do not believe that prophets will have divinely guided opinions on every matter 24 hours a day, but only prophets when acting as such.
Back to the allege moon story, even if Joseph were fooled by a false report in the paper, does that make him any less of a prophet than was Joshua, who was fooled by a false report from the Gibeonites in Joshua 9? Was he any less of a prophet than the blind patriarch Isaac, who was fooled by his son Jacob into giving a blessing meant for his brother (Genesis 27:12, 35)? (See also 1 Kings 13 for an example of a prophet being fooled by the lies of others.) Remember, prophets don’t speak prophetically in every little thing.
http://www.lightplanet.com/mormons/response/history/moonmen_van_hale.htm
Twice I took a stand and both time it was not the message but the messinger who got shot down and my faith was a good come back for them.
Free Republic is doing a mighty fine thing for the rest of the freepers as the RM said
"I’m leaving it in news for at this time for the candidate to have a wider exposure, but may move it later."
Should they move it now it no longer matter the damage is done to the LDS!
most people do not study on their own they just get their ire stired and off they go pouncing on someone because of their faith!
As I tried to stand up for right and good and in return my faith got trashed and my words turn on me.
How can a people in a physcial public forum stand up for right if their faith is trashed and some try to tie their hands by turning the scripture on them.
I won't shrink from what is right and good because other are uncomfortable or indfifferent to supporting doing the right thing!
but AFTER the dedication you are outta luck.
11 We claim the privilege of worshiping Almighty God according to the dictates of our own conscience, and allow all men the same privilege, let them worship how, where, or what they may.
This is one of 13 of the LDS version of a creed.
It is NOT Scripture.
This is from right now:
Does the LDS organization still feel this way about Prebys?
Yes or no.
resty,
I have seen commercials put out by lds that actually use
the catch phrase, “mormons”.
ampu
sandude,
Years ago when mormonism opened its temple in Dallas,
I read or heard (don’t remember which), that after it
was open to the public, it was closed, the interior was
ripped out (because it had been defiled by non-members)
and would have millions of dollars spent to rebuild it.
Does that actually happen, or was that a rumor?
best,
ampu
And neither will we.
When your founder has dissed ALL the churches in his area, and when your present day leaders gloat that YOURS is the TRUE church; I expect you can suppose others just might find that a bit offensive.
If quoting scripture upsets you; it must be because some truth in it hits home.
Yup; me too.
Must be easier to join 'em than beat 'em.
This is one of 13 of the LDS version of a creed.
It is NOT Scripture.
Referring again to this Wentworth Letter, I may say that for combining conciseness of statement with comprehensiveness of treatment of the subject with which it deals, it has few equals among historical documents, and certainly none that excel it in our Church literature.
In it one has in a few pages (less than six of these pages) a remarkably full history of the leading events in the Church, and an epitome of her doctrines, from the beginning (the birth of the Prophet, 1805) up to the date of publication, March, 1842, a period of thirty-six years.
The epitome of the doctrines of the Church, since called "The Articles of Faith," and published by millions, has been carried to all the nations of the earth and tribes of men where the gospel has been preached.
These Articles of Faith were not produced by the labored efforts and harmonized contentions of scholastics, but were struck off by one inspired mind at a single effort to make a declaration of that which is most assuredly believed by the Church, for one making earnest inquiry about the truth.
The combined directness, perspicuity, simplicity and comprehensiveness of this statement of the principles of our religion may be relied upon as strong evidence of a divine inspiration resting upon the Prophet, Joseph Smith (Joseph Smith, History of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, 7 vols., introduction and notes by B. H. Roberts [Salt Lake City: The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, 1932-1951], 4: .)
Are you actually saying..that when something bad happens in your life...you deserved it, and it was of the Lord's hand?
Still there never was a Mormon church, and we tried a few years back to inform those in he media but like you they have no respect for the Name of the Church so we can either content which invites the spirit of contention of let the World do as the world does!
Style Guide - The Name of the Church
When writing about the Church, please follow these guidelines:
In the first reference, the full name of the Church is preferred: The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.
Please avoid the use of “Mormon Church,” “LDS Church” or “the Church of the Latter-day Saints.”
When a shortened reference is needed, the terms “the Church” or “the Church of Jesus Christ” are encouraged.
When referring to Church members, the term “Latter-day Saints” is preferred, though “Mormons” is acceptable.
“Mormon” is correctly used in proper names such as the Book of Mormon, Mormon Tabernacle Choir or Mormon Trail, or when used as an adjective in such expressions as “Mormon pioneers.”
The term “Mormonism” is acceptable in describing the combination of doctrine, culture and lifestyle unique to The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.
When referring to people or organizations that practice polygamy, the terms “Mormons,” “Mormon fundamentalist,” “Mormon dissidents,” etc. are incorrect. The Associated Press Stylebook notes: “The term Mormon is not properly applied to the other ... churches that resulted from the split after [Joseph] Smith’s death.”
I especially found this part amusing...
“The combined directness, perspicuity, simplicity and comprehensiveness of this statement of the principles of our religion may be relied upon as strong evidence of a divine inspiration resting upon the Prophet, Joseph Smith.”
Thank you.
ampu
I believe you to be a intelligent soul...I also believe you know exactly what I was talking about. Go back and read it....
No! but why should it matter to you you don’t believe what we tell you any ways!
I'm not 'outta' luck and neither would you be if you had a sincere desire to go to the House of The Lord. The temple is a remarkable place. It's as close to heaven on earth that I've ever found. It's difficult to adequately describe the sweet spirit that I find there so I wont make an attempt. I do wish everyone could have that experience. I think the world would be a much better place.
Well, all I did was ask a logical question.....
As in the post I replied to...that's basically what you implied.
Seriously..why are you so angry, hostile and belligerent?
Would it be better if you just ignored me, and I you....?
Does that actually happen, or was that a rumor?
I've never heard about this particular incident or any other time where one of the other currently operating temples was defiled. When temples have been in use for many years they are closed for renovation (new carpet, etc). When the work is done the church holds another open house prior to it's re dedication. I went to the churches web site to see if the Dallas Temple had been rededicated and it has. The curious thing is that the re dedication took place only five years after its initial dedication. That is a very short period of time for renovation work to be required. I have been unable to find a reason why the temple was closed. Perhaps some other Freepers may have an answer to this.
LOL there you go again projecting on me!
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