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To: Mad Dawg

As a former Roman Catholic and a current Anglican Catholic (not Episcopalian - we are the Traditionalist Catholic), I appreciate the need to honor Mary. But I echo what another poster said about the Marianism present in the RCC - they have to my eyes stressed that salvation can only come through her now, and I find that offensive. The ACC’s position is that soliciting Mary’s intercession is a Good and Holy thing, but not necessary for salvation. If I choose to ignore her and talk to Christ directly, I think Mary would join in prayer WITH me, but I will not sin by not including her in my prayers. I think, however, the RCC has been stressing this necessity all too much and is one reason why I am no longer with the RCC.


478 posted on 07/25/2007 9:40:39 AM PDT by Alkhin (star dust contemplating star dust)
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To: Alkhin
The ACC’s position is that soliciting Mary’s intercession is a Good and Holy thing, but not necessary for salvation.

That's the Catholic position as well; if you were taught differently, then you were taught incorrectly.

Note I said the "Catholic" position, not the "RCC", because the "RCC" is a misnomer, invented mainly by Henry the VIIIth and his ilk, to create animosity towards Catholics. By labeling all Catholics "Roman", it implied that all Catholics were thus subject to Rome, and not the English King, and thus, were traitors to the King.

The correct term is "Rite", as in "Latin (or Roman) Rite", one of the 23 (or 24 depending on how one counts) separate Rites in the Catholic Church.

Don't fret though, most on FR say "RCC" and I usually don't say anything about it, since I'd have to be probably typing this same response, constantly, for months on end to address each time the misnomer is used. There are even some Catholics who call their own Church the "Roman Catholic Church", so it's not something worth battling over, but it is something I'll comment on from time to time, if not to change the world, if only to educate a few.

479 posted on 07/25/2007 9:55:42 AM PDT by FourtySeven (47)
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To: Alkhin

There may be folks who take things too far; my indications are taken from the Catechism (sometimes after being REMINDED about something that I’ve said) as to what is right.

As it happens, we have no icons of Mary in our house - not that we object to them, we just don’t happen to have any - and we do have crucifixes and crosses. We don’t worship the crucifixes or crosses; neither do we worship Mary.

I have been in conversation with an individual here who has had a bad road with individuals within the Church and was offered lousy guidance. I am very sorry for that occurring; it still doesn’t make the Church wrong, only those individuals.


480 posted on 07/25/2007 9:59:19 AM PDT by MarkBsnr (V. Angelus Domini nuntiavit Mariae. R. Et concepit de Spiritu Sancto.)
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To: Alkhin

>> they have to my eyes stressed that salvation can only come through her now<<

ONLY?????Where?????
Perhaps you need to have your eyes looked at.


488 posted on 07/25/2007 10:24:39 AM PDT by netmilsmom (To attack one section of Christianity in this day and age, is to waste time.)
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To: Alkhin
Funny, I'm a former Episcopal priest. Or I thought I was a priest, anyway.

But I echo what another poster said about the Marianism present in the RCC - they have to my eyes stressed that salvation can only come through her now,

Woah! Who is saying that? Nobody I know. I know you said, "to my eyes," but, golly, I just haven't heard anything close to that. IN church at a Marian feast there is almost always what I've come to think of as "the official disclaimer," clarifying doctrine. I've never heard anyone say She was necessary for salvation.

Do you have some links I could see this atrocity on?

495 posted on 07/25/2007 11:44:06 AM PDT by Mad Dawg (Oh Mary, conceived without sin, pray for us who have recourse to thee.)
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