Posted on 07/23/2007 3:36:15 PM PDT by annalex
For what purpose then is Mary petitioned? Isn’t it the old schoolboy refrain, Well if you want something from Jesus ask his mother and he will give it to her?
You have not provided a citation for Pope Leo XIII’s words (publication, date, page number, etc.), so how do I know that you aren’t putting words in his mouth?
When you provide the exact quote, with appropriate citations, I will discuss it with you.
That's funny. The idea that G-d guides evolution is called "intelligent design," and most evolutionists (including Catholic ones) reject them as "creationists in disguise." So how is a good Catholic evolutiionist to believe that G-d "guides" it without really "guiding" it, eh?
We believe that the Bible is inerrant inasmuch as it pertains to the questions of faith. It may get geological, historical, or biological facts wrong inasmuch as the inspired author never meant the Bible to be a manual of geology, history or biology.
I thought according to Vatican I the author was G-d? What did G-d get wrong?
Thank you for admitting that Catholics reject total Biblical inerrancy, which was the point I was trying to make! You have made it for me!
Well yes I did, post 139
“So are you comparing Jesus at the transfiguration with your praying, sorry, talking to Aunt Bessie, the same thing?”
No. Why, do you?
I’ve talked to dad many times over since his entry into eternal life. Mostly I tell him I miss him and wish he were there to help me miter corners.
We pray, honor, adore and make homage to the Almighty God, Creator of the Universe.
We chat with everyone else.
W
It’s alright, have some chocolate and you’ll feel better.
Sorry, but I don't find the Catholic Church's anti-Biblicism as amusing as you obviously do. But then, I'm only a bigoted illiterate hillbilly. What do I know? How can I possibly compare to those millions of illiterate peasants the Catholic Church is so proud of?
I guess those peasants must have been evolutionists.
“Biblical inerrancy...”
And God created everything in seven days, right?
It says so. It doesn’t say days that only God knows what they are, it says seven days. Days were 24 hours long when the bible was written or told orally.
So, seven days, right?
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Well said. I confess the same.
Now, this is not meant as an attack; please follow it through.
If a person’s understanding of the Bible is not complete and whole, then it is possible that that person can err with regard to Biblical teachings. If a person can err with regard to Biblical teachings, then it is possible that that person can hold false beliefs and err in his theology.
Since all human beings are less than perfect and therefore do not hold a complete understanding of something as far-reaching as the Bible, then a human being on his own will therefore to one extent or another, be in error w.r.t. the Bible. This is extra-Biblical support for the concept of the Magisterium. There is either one Church (and one understanding) of the One God and his One Word, or there are many. It is illogical that God’s One Word would speak to all in different ways and have different meanings.
There are some that say that the Holy Spirit has come into them and guides them to the right understanding of the Bible, but, again, it is illogical for One Holy Spirit to guide all Christians to different understanding of the One God and his One Word.
I was born guilty.
Wait! Didn’t Jesus make that wine for his OWN wedding to Mary Magdelene? LOL!
The same people that freak at the myths of the DaVinci Codes, spout myths about Catholics and think it’s all okay.
I love how the “You worship Mary”
“No, I ask her to pray for me.”
“NO, you worship her, but my definition.” discussions go.
The Non-Catholics always know what is our intent, don’t they?
okay, there was no Octobri Mense written by the infallible Pope Leo xiii. I just made it up
At least one heir of Paul that I can think of, off the top of my head, was Timothy. Paul calls Timothy “his beloved son” several times. There were others that St. Paul calls his children and he references himself as a spiritual father to them.
Your second paragraph doesn’t make sense. Can you please re-write it?
There were no other miracles, recorded in Scripture, between Pentecost and the Beautiful Temple. In the Scriptural account of Pentecost it states that “miracles were done” after that Day, but it doesn’t state what they were, when they were done, or by whom. Scripture does make a point to describe the miracle by Peter as the very next account after the Day of Pentecost.
Jesus is the Chief Cornerstone, whom the builders rejected. He founded His Church on Peter (Rock). We are building blocks.
If you understand the philosophical distinction between primary and secondary causes, then you will understand how theistic evolution is not a contradiction in terms. A good person to study on this matter of primary and secondary causes is Professor Freddoso at Notre Dame.
-A8
Six years in the Catholic Church? Such an attitude!!!
Where, might I ask, and under what conditions?
Well I'm sure it gives you comfort, but there is no biblical authority to support the view. Again, why chat with everyone else? Other than a personal vanity thing, it has nothing spiritual to offer.
Well actually, I find it amusing that anyone would waste bandwidth having a hissy fit over how another Christian worships. You want to call yourself any of the above names, that’s your right. I would tell you that you are wrong but I think it’s one of those “do these pants make me look fat?” Your statement is loaded.
No one is telling you to worship as Catholics do, so don’t worry, be happy.
I love Butterfinger Bars. Perhaps you should try one.
And God created everything in seven days, right?
It says so. It doesn’t say days that only God knows what they are, it says seven days. Days were 24 hours long when the bible was written or told orally.
So, seven days, right?
First of all, the Torah (the first five books) were written before the world was created and then dictated to Moses letter-for-letter. I don't expect the Catholic Church to teach this, but this is what happened.
Second, the argument of "how long is a day?" misses the point creationists are trying to make. True, the sun was created on the Fourth Day so it couldn't have figured in the first three days (though light had been created and hours are relative, being 1/12 of a day and 1/12 of a night). The point is that there is simply no use in interpreting the days to agree with evolution, since the universe did not, and could not have, formed "naturally." "Nature" and its "laws" exist within the created universe--not outside it. So why would any rational person insist on interpreting the six days as billions of years in order to allow the universe to form "naturally?"
Third, what is it about the six days of creation (and Jonah's great fish, for that matter) that makes the Catholic Church and most of its members so hostile? Do the six days or the great fish somehow undercut the Pope or the magisterium? What's the deal?
Off Topic:
How much wine approaches the sin of gluttony? I say that as one who is quite fond of claret (and merlot, cabernet, chardonnay, pinot grigio, and others).
What a great example you have given!!
1. Bayside is not an approved apparition
2. Catholics are not required to believe in any apparition
3. Sacramentals are optional too!
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