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To: DungeonMaster

Well said. I confess the same.

Now, this is not meant as an attack; please follow it through.

If a person’s understanding of the Bible is not complete and whole, then it is possible that that person can err with regard to Biblical teachings. If a person can err with regard to Biblical teachings, then it is possible that that person can hold false beliefs and err in his theology.

Since all human beings are less than perfect and therefore do not hold a complete understanding of something as far-reaching as the Bible, then a human being on his own will therefore to one extent or another, be in error w.r.t. the Bible. This is extra-Biblical support for the concept of the Magisterium. There is either one Church (and one understanding) of the One God and his One Word, or there are many. It is illogical that God’s One Word would speak to all in different ways and have different meanings.

There are some that say that the Holy Spirit has come into them and guides them to the right understanding of the Bible, but, again, it is illogical for One Holy Spirit to guide all Christians to different understanding of the One God and his One Word.


209 posted on 07/24/2007 12:59:12 PM PDT by MarkBsnr (V. Angelus Domini nuntiavit Mariae. R. Et concepit de Spiritu Sancto.)
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To: MarkBsnr
Well said. I confess the same.

Thanks, it's always nice to pause from the contention.

If a person’s understanding of the Bible is not complete and whole, then it is possible that that person can err with regard to Biblical teachings. If a person can err with regard to Biblical teachings, then it is possible that that person can hold false beliefs and err in his theology.

True of every one of us to some degree I'm sure.

Since all human beings are less than perfect and therefore do not hold a complete understanding of something as far-reaching as the Bible, then a human being on his own will therefore to one extent or another, be in error w.r.t. the Bible. This is extra-Biblical support for the concept of the Magisterium. There is either one Church (and one understanding) of the One God and his One Word, or there are many. It is illogical that God’s One Word would speak to all in different ways and have different meanings.

Here I disagree completely. Your One Church is nothing more than a reference to your favorite denomination with the worlds most fancy doctrinal statement. But it is nothing more than a particular denomination. The connection between the Apostles and the Pope is completely contrived. So no one is faced with a thousand denominations, each with it's own hooks and catch phrases and party lines. This is where one must be guided by the Holy Spirity, when he examines the beliefs of the many denominations and trys to discern who is in the Truth.

There are some that say that the Holy Spirit has come into them and guides them to the right understanding of the Bible, but, again, it is illogical for One Holy Spirit to guide all Christians to different understanding of the One God and his One Word.

There is scripture to support this. So we have to wonder how much doctrinal dispute is just iron sharpening iron and how much is a debate between Christians and non Christians. It's an ongoing question and struggle. It's part of seeing in a glass darkly. I think both of us really wonder about the other's state of salvation. However, if we were both in a Muslim prison facing death unless we renounced Christ, it'd be a lovely thing for us to both not renounce Him and die together.

227 posted on 07/24/2007 1:13:11 PM PDT by DungeonMaster (Render therefore to Caesar the things that are Caesar's, and to God the things that are God's.)
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