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To: stfassisi; kosta50; jo kus
“Our God is a God of love and wonder.” Agreed! So,why do you diminish that by by saying God creates people destined for hell.

Because it's true. God created Adam knowing he would fall. It isn't that God is diminished in my soteriology; it is that you've raised man up to a position of which he is not entitled to.

You need to ask yourself why God would put these(hell bound) people on earth in the first place and not be able to blame God for putting them there?

I'm not blaming God for anything. I'm simply stating things as they exists and they exist for a purpose.

To deny God DIDN'T assigned the human race to hell is folly. He created the Garden, put the tree, gave the command, knew what Adam would do, knew what judgment He would past, created hell, and then left for the day. It's a little bit silly in my mind to say that God hope upon hope that Adam would make the right choice. There is only one LOGICAL choice for this and that choice is that it was all planned to send man to hell. After all, it isn't as if God didn't know.

If God wanted all men to be saved, He would NEVER have placed the tree in the garden. Man had free will to name the animals. Why didn't he rebel against that command and yet he rebelled against the fruit? There is a reason.

There is a purpose for all of this. It's just not what you happen to believe it is.

Tell me, if someone makes a poor decision and ends up in the eternal torment of hell, will God leave them there? Does this sound like a just God-70 years to make a decision and an eternity of torment for making the wrong choice? YIKES!!!

You seem to think everyone wants to go heaven. I believe everyone unwittingly wants to go to hell.

9,727 posted on 10/23/2007 2:58:16 PM PDT by HarleyD
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To: HarleyD
It's a little bit silly in my mind to say that God hope upon hope that Adam would make the right choice.

God "willed" Adam to make the right choice. Adam of free will Chose not to follow the will of God

You gave this Scripture....

""Pro 16:4 The LORD has made everything for its own purpose, Even the wicked for the day of evil.""

It does NOT say that God "created" them wicked.Again, they become wicked of their own doing,their own free will.Not God's will! Yes, God created them, and yes God will even use their wickedness to prove that love is stronger then wickedness

"For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Saviour,Who "will" have all men to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the truth. For there is one God: and one mediator of God and men, the man Christ Jesus: Who gave himself a redemption for ALL, a testimony in due times.(1 Tim 2:3-6)Douay Reims

You seem to think everyone wants to go heaven. I believe everyone unwittingly wants to go to hell.

This whole statement is ridiculous!

Good Night!

I wish you a Blessed evening!

9,729 posted on 10/23/2007 4:17:24 PM PDT by stfassisi ("Above all gifts that Christ gives his beloved is that of overcoming self"St Francis Assisi)
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To: HarleyD
Pro 16:4 The LORD has made everything for its own purpose, Even the wicked for the day of evil.

Thanks Harley. I was going to look up that verse!

9,731 posted on 10/23/2007 5:14:25 PM PDT by ladyinred
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