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To: Forest Keeper; MarkBsnr
You're going to hang your argument on how a 360-year-old document uses the word "pleased"? From the context, it seems pretty clear to me that "pleased" meant "what God wanted".

Is it your contention, then, that God does things that He is NOT pleased with? Does God do things He doesn't want to do? Does He do things against His will?

Naturally, you'll say "no". If so, then how do you explain why God reprobates men to hell before their demerits are evident - AND SIMULTANEOUSLY say that God desires all men to be saved?

Double-talk...

You cannot escape the logic of your own making. Either God does things against His will, sending undeserving creations to eternal punishment, OR your God really is sadistic and is pleased, or willingly, or whatever verb you desire, to create men specifically to populate hell, making Scripture a false book, since it specifically says God desires all men to be saved - how can this be if He WILLINGLY creates men to NOT be saved, without any consideration of demerits?

The WCF correctly recognizes that it was God's providence to choose the destinies of those He created.

Huh? And that makes God the author is sin. More double-talk. In one place, God is not the author of sin. Now, the WCF says God makes men whose destinies HE creates - to sin. Thus, God becomes the perfect creator of a being who can do nothing BUT sin...

This is repungant to common sense and Sacred Scriptures.

Regards

9,345 posted on 10/18/2007 9:45:55 AM PDT by jo kus
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To: jo kus; Forest Keeper
Now, the WCF says God makes men whose destinies HE creates

The WCF is merely restating Scripture.

Who are you?

"Therefore hath he mercy on whom he will have mercy, and whom he will he hardeneth.

Thou wilt say then unto me, Why doth he yet find fault? For who hath resisted his will?

Nay but, O man, who art thou that repliest against God? Shall the thing formed say to him that formed it, Why hast thou made me thus?

Hath not the potter power over the clay, of the same lump to make one vessel unto honour, and another unto dishonour?" -- Romans 9:18-21


9,348 posted on 10/18/2007 9:54:34 AM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: jo kus; MarkBsnr; kosta50; Kolokotronis; Dr. Eckleburg; HarleyD; blue-duncan; wmfights
Is it your contention, then, that God does things that He is NOT pleased with? Does God do things He doesn't want to do? Does He do things against His will?

No, of course not. I am only trying to combat the mischaracterization by Apostolics of the Reformed belief.

If so, then how do you explain why God reprobates men to hell before their demerits are evident - AND SIMULTANEOUSLY say that God desires all men to be saved?

God desiring all men to be saved is an outward call, not a decree. In literal terms, and in conformity with God's plan, God does NOT want all men to be saved. That much is plain from casual observation, or God is a titanic failure.

FK: "The WCF correctly recognizes that it was God's providence to choose the destinies of those He created."

Huh? And that makes God the author is sin. More double-talk. In one place, God is not the author of sin. Now, the WCF says God makes men whose destinies HE creates - to sin. Thus, God becomes the perfect creator of a being who can do nothing BUT sin...

Have you been reading any of this discussion? We just got through talking about primary and secondary causes in the WCF, and how they explain that since man is the secondary cause of sin, that MEANS that God is not the author of sin. In a recent post you appeared to at least recognize the claim, but here it seems that we have taken a couple of steps back. I'm not sure how to proceed.

9,416 posted on 10/19/2007 6:59:22 AM PDT by Forest Keeper (It is a joy to me to know that God had my number, before He created numbers.)
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