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To: jo kus; MarkBsnr; kosta50; Kolokotronis; Dr. Eckleburg; HarleyD; blue-duncan; wmfights
Is it your contention, then, that God does things that He is NOT pleased with? Does God do things He doesn't want to do? Does He do things against His will?

No, of course not. I am only trying to combat the mischaracterization by Apostolics of the Reformed belief.

If so, then how do you explain why God reprobates men to hell before their demerits are evident - AND SIMULTANEOUSLY say that God desires all men to be saved?

God desiring all men to be saved is an outward call, not a decree. In literal terms, and in conformity with God's plan, God does NOT want all men to be saved. That much is plain from casual observation, or God is a titanic failure.

FK: "The WCF correctly recognizes that it was God's providence to choose the destinies of those He created."

Huh? And that makes God the author is sin. More double-talk. In one place, God is not the author of sin. Now, the WCF says God makes men whose destinies HE creates - to sin. Thus, God becomes the perfect creator of a being who can do nothing BUT sin...

Have you been reading any of this discussion? We just got through talking about primary and secondary causes in the WCF, and how they explain that since man is the secondary cause of sin, that MEANS that God is not the author of sin. In a recent post you appeared to at least recognize the claim, but here it seems that we have taken a couple of steps back. I'm not sure how to proceed.

9,416 posted on 10/19/2007 6:59:22 AM PDT by Forest Keeper (It is a joy to me to know that God had my number, before He created numbers.)
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To: Forest Keeper
God desiring all men to be saved is an outward call, not a decree. In literal terms, and in conformity with God's plan, God does NOT want all men to be saved. That much is plain from casual observation, or God is a titanic failure.

Amen.

"Remember the former things of old: for I am God, and there is none else; I am God, and there is none like me,

Declaring the end from the beginning, and from ancient times the things that are not yet done, saying, My counsel shall stand, and I will do all my pleasure" -- Isaiah 46:9-10

Men have always been telling God who He is and isn't rather than listening to Him tell us exactly who He is -- the one who declared "the end from the beginning."

"That which hath been is now; and that which is to be hath already been" -- Ecclesiastes 3:15

We can't go wrong by stating God's sovereignty too often, considering the world conspires to erase it entirely and replace it with men's "good choices" and "free will" righteousness.

9,422 posted on 10/19/2007 9:53:41 AM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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