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To: Dr. Eckleburg; kosta50
And the "unity of infinity" is due to the exact fact that God creates everything for His purpose, including infinity.

God didn't create "infinity"! Infinity is an expression of God HIMSELF, or more accurately, the love that exists between the Three Persons of the Blessed Trinity. God is uncreated.

And thus, that fact supports the lie of universalism because not all points within God's existence are "the same."

Yes they are. On an infinite line, all points are the same. God is not made up of "parts", nor is He divisible, but is pure simplicity, pure unity. ALL is such in infinity. God is EXISTENCE or BEING itself, so God doesn't exist "within" infinity, He IS infinity.

As to numbers in infinity, God is one. Unity is triune, but not because of numbers. That would imply three gods.

This is a good example of the difference between "knowing about God", which Scriptures help us with, and "knowing God", which Scriptures say little about directly. We come to KNOWING God by prayer, not by reading a book ABOUT God.

Regards

8,074 posted on 10/03/2007 2:03:59 PM PDT by jo kus
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To: jo kus; Dr. Eckleburg
jo to Dr. E: Yes they are. On an infinite line, all points are the same. God is not made up of "parts", nor is He divisible, but is pure simplicity, pure unity. ALL is such in infinity. God is EXISTENCE or BEING itself, so God doesn't exist "within" infinity, He IS infinity

Absolutely, jo. This is orthodox catholoic theology 101.

8,169 posted on 10/03/2007 6:44:03 PM PDT by kosta50 (Eastern Orthodoxy is pure Christianity)
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To: jo kus; Dr. Eckleburg; HarleyD; P-Marlowe; wmfights; Forest Keeper; irishtenor; suzyjaruki; ...
Jo kus: There are no "real numbers" in infinity, because every "number" has the same value. Thus, there is unity in infinity. Time, also, has little value in infinity, because time is a measure of change and there is no change in infinity. All points are the same.

Not so. All points on a line extending to infinity are not the same.

Even the point at infinity is precise. It is also known as the ideal point or the Omega point.

See also Real Projective Line

Again, eternity is time without end.

There is no eternity past. There was a beginning of time and a beginning of space. Real space and time are created as the universe expands.

Moreover there are very likely additional dimensions of space and time – their number and types being not fully knowable to us mortals whose vision and minds have been limited to three of space and one of time.

The Catholic Church long abandoned its insistence on a geocentric universe – it needs to embrace geometric physics as well if it wishes to speak in terms of space and time.

To project our physical, sensory or mental limitations (such as space and time) onto God is to anthropomorphize Him into a small “god” the mortal mind can comprehend.

An amoeba has a better chance of describing a human in its terms than we have of describing God in human terms.

As Dr. Eckleburg said:

So again, "infinity" is not the answer to everything. Whereas "God's will" is sufficient to answer any question (although graciously, He often expands on that answer through His word and the indwelling Holy Spirit.")

I propose it is better to conceive of reality – physical and spiritual – as God’s will and unknowable in its fullness.

Then we can receive God’s revelations to us for what they are – partial visions of His glory, never a full picture – we could not “handle it.”

Again, there was a beginning of “all that there is.” Moreover, there is a reason for it.

Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature: For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether [they be] thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him: And he is before all things, and by him all things consist. And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all [things] he might have the preeminence. For it pleased [the Father] that in him should all fulness dwell; And, having made peace through the blood of his cross, by him to reconcile all things unto himself; by him, [I say], whether [they be] things in earth, or things in heaven.– Col 1:15-20

In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. The same was in the beginning with God. All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made. - John 1:1-3

We know this is Truth because God revealed it to us.

Moreover, God has not yet revealed to us whether His new heaven and new earth (Revelation) will be a fixed or expanding space/time - or whether it is something else we cannot yet understand.

God’s Name is I AM – and Alpha and Omega.

Praise God!!!

8,258 posted on 10/04/2007 10:22:23 AM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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