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To: MarkBsnr; irishtenor
We certainly are reasoning together.

Yes indeed. :)

At what point of control do we attain the robot slave condition? Splinting an arm? Hand feeding? Controlling the heartbeat? Controlling hormone and enzyme levels? Controlling the metabolism of each and every cell in the body? Controlling the splitting / creation of each cell? Where would the Reformed analogy put the control of the individual by God?

I agree with the way Irishtenor expressed it. The greatest level of freedom comes after we are saved. Only then can we choose to do good in God's eyes.

The "robot slave condition" is simply an artificial projection of man's POV upon God's. It doesn't actually happen in man's experience, so it is only abstractly true in our reality. We Reformers don't experience being robots any more than you do. AND, the ultimate truth is that God is in control of everything, using all of His ways, many of which are unfathomable to us.

To your question, I personally draw the line at whatever is part of God's plan. If it is actually part of God's plan that my heart rate for the next minute be at 76, and then drop down to 75 for the following minute, then God actively made that happen. If not, then He didn't. Many on my side would say the former, and I do not dispute them at all. On this I can only say that I am unsure whether God's plan encompasses all there is to encompass.

Therefore, in everything having to do with God's plan, He retains full control DESPITE what we experience.

5,731 posted on 09/08/2007 8:17:54 AM PDT by Forest Keeper (It is a joy to me to know that God had my number, before He created numbers.)
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To: Forest Keeper

Interesting.

I’d say that you’re ducking the question!!!

A robot slave doesn’t realize that he is a robot slave simply because he’s programmed not to. I still don’t get what God gets out of it either - if his goal is to create us the greatest of His creations and to have us willingly worship Him, then this predestination control would seem to preclude any willing worship.


5,772 posted on 09/09/2007 11:15:25 AM PDT by MarkBsnr (V. Angelus Domini nuntiavit Mariae. R. Et concepit de Spiritu Sancto.)
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