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To: Forest Keeper

Interesting.

I’d say that you’re ducking the question!!!

A robot slave doesn’t realize that he is a robot slave simply because he’s programmed not to. I still don’t get what God gets out of it either - if his goal is to create us the greatest of His creations and to have us willingly worship Him, then this predestination control would seem to preclude any willing worship.


5,772 posted on 09/09/2007 11:15:25 AM PDT by MarkBsnr (V. Angelus Domini nuntiavit Mariae. R. Et concepit de Spiritu Sancto.)
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To: MarkBsnr; irishtenor
I’d say that you’re ducking the question!!!

OH, BAAAAH!!! :) How so?

A robot slave doesn’t realize that he is a robot slave simply because he’s programmed not to.

Not true in Christianity. While the lost do not understand their plight, the saved are told plainly in scripture that we were bought at a price and are now slaves to righteousness. To the extent humans can comprehend, I think I have a fairly solid understanding of where I stand with God in the grand order of things. I am His slave and very grateful for it. :)

I still don’t get what God gets out of it either - if his goal is to create us the greatest of His creations and to have us willingly worship Him, then this predestination control would seem to preclude any willing worship.

Well, I would put this in the same category as wondering why God bothers to get out of bed in the morning because He already knows every detail of every occurrence for that day. The answer is that we just can't understand it. What could be interesting about the existence of an omniscient being? I don't know! :) He tells us that He wants us to worship Him, even though He knows already how much He'll ever get. Nevertheless, regardless of the cause, I am motivated to worship Him and believe He approves when I do. It's real for me. What else can I do? The only difference I can see is who gets the glory for my worship: God, or my free will.

5,808 posted on 09/10/2007 10:35:58 AM PDT by Forest Keeper (It is a joy to me to know that God had my number, before He created numbers.)
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