[irishtenor]

***Not only that, the Reformed theology maintains that we were sentenced and parodned before we even existed!***

Yes, that is what we believe, based on scripture. God is in control of everyhing. He is the Potter, we are the clay. Some he made for noble purposes, others he made to be thrown away.

[D-fendr]

If I may butt in..

Yes, that is what we believe, based on scripture.

If we read scripture to say that God makes humans as garbage "to be thrown" away, we must be reading it wrong.

He is the Potter, we are the clay.

All analogies fail at some point. In this one, it is when the clay becomes human, created by God, who is love, in His image.

A reading of scripture that absolves us of the responsibility for our choices, we would see as a wrong direction as well.

[Cronos]

Some he made for noble purposes, others he made to be thrown away.

Ok, and in your theology, suppose those "noble purpose" ones are all used up, say the 144,000 were all those in the first 3 centuries (martyrs etc.) and now all of us are the ones to be thrown away into the fire of damnation. You think that's a good philosophy?