[P-Marlowe]

Does God determine all (predeterminism)? Or does He simply know (free will)?

He ordains all.

Whilst I believe that God nudges people in the direction that they ought to go, it is still our free will in the end that determines our fate.

If it is up to YOUR free will, then you are destined for hell.

The Bible teaches us that God predetermines us to Heaven and it simply is up to us if we would go to Hell.

If that were true, then why would a loving God give us free will?

[MarkBsnr]

Now we are back to the idea that God has created a bunch of robots. If that is so, then why fight it? Why strive and struggle?

I can simply do as I want. If He wants me in Heaven (Biblical evidence), then I’ll get there and if he wants me in hell (no Biblical evidence) then I’ll go there as well. If nothing that my conscious mind can do to get me to heaven, then why do the right thing? If I’m predetermined to go to heaven and there’s nothing I can do about it, then what stops me from going out raping and killing when the whim strikes me?

[Forest Keeper]

Mark: "Whilst I believe that God nudges people in the direction that they ought to go, it is still our free will in the end that determines our fate."

Marlowe: "If it is up to YOUR free will, then you are destined for hell."

Absolutely correct, Marlowe. This is the difference between being only merely "wounded" (citation unknown) and being DEAD in our transgressions and sins (Eph. 2:1, 4-5).