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To: kosta50; MarkBsnr
So, how can you reject that which you know nothing about?.....From a book that the Church (which you deny) put together for you?

I'm not trying to reject it or deny it. I'm trying my best to not discuss it. The "church" may have put it together but they didn't write it. The Catholics didn't write it - the Protestants didn't write it. God did.

I am trying to discuss what is contained in that Book, not who did or did not teach it.

Where do you get the authority to interpret what God says?

What you call authority I call my understanding of what I read. If you disagree with it please let me know what you, or your church, believe those scriptues could possibly mean.

Kosta, I'm trying my best to steer completly clear of any type of discussion on churches. One, as I have said, I don't know enough about the different doctrines but I do have my opinions on some of them. That is all it would be, my opinion and those opinions could possible offend some. The scriptures I have quoted are not my opinion. They are written and therefore need to be discussed.

2,594 posted on 08/17/2007 11:15:51 AM PDT by Ping-Pong
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To: Ping-Pong; MarkBsnr
The "church" may have put it together but they didn't write it. The Catholics didn't write it - the Protestants didn't write it. God did

First, He provided the inspiration and they wrote it in their own words. That's different from God "wrote" it. Second, the Bible, as it was written had no punctuation marks. the fact that we have commas and semicolons inserted at various places (by uninspired editors) corrupts the original (which we don't have) and puts in question the veracity of their choices.

The addition of vowels in the Hebrew text represents human corruption as different 'words" without vowels can be turned into a variety of unrelated words, the choice of vowels then becomes a human choice and none of the rabbis as far as I know were inspired.

Take for instance the vowel less 'word" shp. Add some vowels and see what happens: ship, shap, shop, etc...Hebrew is especially subject to many more word choices because it is a vowelless written language.

Other evidence of corruption is abundant. research Comma Johanneum for example (in 1 John), and Periciope Adulterae in the Gospel of John, or the addition of the last 10-plus verses at the end of the Gospel of Mark and you get the picture...

There is nothing pristine about the Bible.

2,597 posted on 08/17/2007 11:33:55 AM PDT by kosta50 (Eastern Orthodoxy is pure Christianity)
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To: Ping-Pong; kosta50

The entire Bible was written by men. There were a great number of books, but the 72 books chosen to make up the entire Bible were chosen by the Church.

The writings were judged to be inspired by the Church; the Church was inspired by the Holy Spirit. But just as individuals nowadays invariably wander into error, so did many of the Church Fathers. And the Church as an institution made the correct judgements.

That is why the Bible tells us not to privately interpret it. Because, being human, we will inevitably err.


2,600 posted on 08/17/2007 11:51:27 AM PDT by MarkBsnr (V. Angelus Domini nuntiavit Mariae. R. Et concepit de Spiritu Sancto.)
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