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To: Ping-Pong; xzins; P-Marlowe; stfassisi
He foreknew them and He tells us that the "foreknowing" is before they are in the womb: Jeremiah 1:5 "Before I formed thee in the belly I knew thee..."

That doesn't mean he "pre-made" him.  He foreknew of him, what he will be like; but Jeremiah soul did not pre-exist his body.

I also am Christian. Part of our bible, it's very foundation is Jewish. You cannot divorce yourself from everything that Bible teaches nor do you have to imitate them

I don't think so. Jews believe that one makes himself acceptable to God by works, not by faith. Christians believe we can never make ourselves worthy of salvation.

We are brothers and sisters with the same God

By that logic, the Muslims believe in the same God. Jewish God is not a Christian God. Allah is not a Christian God. It takes little imagination to see that Christian God is different than either the YHWH or Allah in how Christians, Jews and Muslims experience their God.

Their eyes will be opened to Christ being the Messiah

We certainly pray and hope the whole world comes to Christ, not just the Jews. Personally, I doubt they will ever consider it. To them Christianity i sa bogus cult; after Jamnia (90 AD) they cursed Jesus of Nazareth, and commanded others to do the same. I am not sure if they still do.

So, he has fallen from grace but he is, or was, allowed to be in the garden, to tempt Jesus on earth and also to be in heaven talking to God (Job)

So, Satan was back in heaven  after his fall from grace? LOL!

2,257 posted on 08/12/2007 9:32:05 PM PDT by kosta50 (Eastern Orthodoxy is pure Christianity)
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To: kosta50

I disagree with you about the Jews. Don’t you give God any credit for being able to work in the hearts of the Jewish people? Good heavens, Kosta. He’s working in the hearts of the Muslims and Jews as we speak. People who are in the know, i.e., missionaries and pastors in foreign lands, are experiencing that even now. God cannot be put in a little box of our making. HE is the one who will change their hearts and many WILL and ARE coming to Christ. You don’t hear about it because for many it would mean death (for the Muslims), but God is at work.


2,260 posted on 08/12/2007 9:51:15 PM PDT by Marysecretary (GOD IS STILL IN CONTROL.)
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To: kosta50
Ping...He foreknew them and He tells us that the "foreknowing" is before they are in the womb: Jeremiah 1:5 "Before I formed thee in the belly I knew thee..."
Kosta...That doesn't mean he "pre-made" him. He foreknew of him, what he will be like; but Jeremiah soul did not pre-exist his body.

God didn't tell Jeremiah that He knew what he would do in this life but that "I knew thee". We know that there is an age after this one. Our soul steps out of this body and stays the same soul as it goes into the next realm. Why do some think it impossible to be that same soul from before that is now in our flesh body?

I don't think so. Jews believe that one makes himself acceptable to God by works, not by faith. Christians believe we can never make ourselves worthy of salvation.

I agree with you, in that it applies to this age. Christ died for our sins in this age. Perhaps works were required in the first age as they will be in the 3rd age:

This is at the end of the millennium: Rev.20:12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.

By that logic, the Muslims believe in the same God. Jewish God is not a Christian God. Allah is not a Christian God. It takes little imagination to see that Christian God is different than either the YHWH or Allah in how Christians, Jews and Muslims experience their God.

Actually - He is everyone's God but many don't know it as He is not who they worship. We are ALL His children. I believe the Jewish God is our God. There is no difference. All of us seem to have differing positions on how to worship Him but He is, never-the-less, our God. Muslims, on the other hand, do not in any way, shape or form worship our God. They will, as "every knee will bow" but they do not now.

So, Satan was back in heaven after his fall from grace? LOL!

He has to be there in order to be kicked out at the end of days.

.....Ping

2,308 posted on 08/13/2007 9:03:25 AM PDT by Ping-Pong
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