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To: kosta50
Ping...He foreknew them and He tells us that the "foreknowing" is before they are in the womb: Jeremiah 1:5 "Before I formed thee in the belly I knew thee..."
Kosta...That doesn't mean he "pre-made" him. He foreknew of him, what he will be like; but Jeremiah soul did not pre-exist his body.

God didn't tell Jeremiah that He knew what he would do in this life but that "I knew thee". We know that there is an age after this one. Our soul steps out of this body and stays the same soul as it goes into the next realm. Why do some think it impossible to be that same soul from before that is now in our flesh body?

I don't think so. Jews believe that one makes himself acceptable to God by works, not by faith. Christians believe we can never make ourselves worthy of salvation.

I agree with you, in that it applies to this age. Christ died for our sins in this age. Perhaps works were required in the first age as they will be in the 3rd age:

This is at the end of the millennium: Rev.20:12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.

By that logic, the Muslims believe in the same God. Jewish God is not a Christian God. Allah is not a Christian God. It takes little imagination to see that Christian God is different than either the YHWH or Allah in how Christians, Jews and Muslims experience their God.

Actually - He is everyone's God but many don't know it as He is not who they worship. We are ALL His children. I believe the Jewish God is our God. There is no difference. All of us seem to have differing positions on how to worship Him but He is, never-the-less, our God. Muslims, on the other hand, do not in any way, shape or form worship our God. They will, as "every knee will bow" but they do not now.

So, Satan was back in heaven after his fall from grace? LOL!

He has to be there in order to be kicked out at the end of days.

.....Ping

2,308 posted on 08/13/2007 9:03:25 AM PDT by Ping-Pong
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To: Ping-Pong
I agree with you, in that it applies to this age. Christ died for our sins in this age. Perhaps works were required in the first age as they will be in the 3rd age:

Perhaps you need to stop reading into Revelation. Just seeing how some people's minds go uncontrollably wild over it, I can understand the wisdom of the Church fathers in doubting it was inspired, and the Greek church keeping in on the list of "questionable" books for 900 years, and why it is never read in the Orthodox Church (thank God!).

At one point the Church decided that it was inspired but that it is beyond most people's ability to understand. But, more importantly, I think it was kept at a low level precisely because of the psychedelic effect it has on many self-interpreters of the scripture, to prevent more heresies from emerging.

Please do not post to me ANYTHING that comes from Revelation.

2,334 posted on 08/13/2007 10:32:35 AM PDT by kosta50 (Eastern Orthodoxy is pure Christianity)
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