If man sinned because God preordained it, then it is God's doing and man cannot do otherwise.
When it was part of God's plan that someone sin, He left that person alone to his own nature and the sin inevitably happened
So, now we have man's own nature that somehow acts outside of God's will??? That's a new one for a Reformed thinking. Yet, even though it is man's own nature and will I presume, he still has only one choice—to do what God preodained man to do. It's God who decides who "sins" and who doesn't.
But, the real kicker is that mankind has already been either condemned or "saved" before there even existed man. So, sin is really something God wanted man to do "just because." No judgment comes out of committing sin, because everyone's end has been predestined before they even existed. Maybe that why Luther said, sin boldly....
In either case the concept of sin, like porayer, and everything esle we do, becomes meaningless because we are just puppets on the string...
It's the same answer I gave to Mark. You equate the idea of God being in control with God authoring sin. Your theology has man being in control. The nature man is born with demands that man be in control.
FK: "When it was part of God's plan that someone sin, He left that person alone to his own nature and the sin inevitably happened."
So, now we have man's own nature that somehow acts outside of God's will??? That's a new one for a Reformed thinking.
I have no idea how you get that from what I said. Man's born nature is to sin against God. In addition, God's will includes man's sin. I have never said otherwise, so it is not possible for man's nature to act outside God's will. That is the Apostolic position, not the Reformed.
It's God who decides who "sins" and who doesn't.
God saves the elect and the rest are reprobate. But also, God's plan includes the sins of both the saved and reprobate.
But, the real kicker is that mankind has already been either condemned or "saved" before there even existed man. So, sin is really something God wanted man to do "just because."
That's illogical. How does one flow from the other? The sin of the crucifixion was ordained by God. It was not an accident, as the Apostolics apparently believe, and it certainly was NOT "just because".
No judgment comes out of committing sin, because everyone's end has been predestined before they even existed.
Again, illogical. All men are judged, and those whose sins have not been paid for will suffer the consequences.
In either case the concept of sin, like prayer, and everything else we do, becomes meaningless because we are just puppets on the string...
It is only meaningless to you IF you are also God. Otherwise, you have a human experience like the rest of us. That is filled with the unknown, and everything we do is meaningful TO US. You will have to argue with God over whether His creation is meaningless if He already knows everything that is going to happen AND ordains it.