It's the same answer I gave to Mark. You equate the idea of God being in control with God authoring sin. Your theology has man being in control. The nature man is born with demands that man be in control.
FK: "When it was part of God's plan that someone sin, He left that person alone to his own nature and the sin inevitably happened."
So, now we have man's own nature that somehow acts outside of God's will??? That's a new one for a Reformed thinking.
I have no idea how you get that from what I said. Man's born nature is to sin against God. In addition, God's will includes man's sin. I have never said otherwise, so it is not possible for man's nature to act outside God's will. That is the Apostolic position, not the Reformed.
It's God who decides who "sins" and who doesn't.
God saves the elect and the rest are reprobate. But also, God's plan includes the sins of both the saved and reprobate.
But, the real kicker is that mankind has already been either condemned or "saved" before there even existed man. So, sin is really something God wanted man to do "just because."
That's illogical. How does one flow from the other? The sin of the crucifixion was ordained by God. It was not an accident, as the Apostolics apparently believe, and it certainly was NOT "just because".
No judgment comes out of committing sin, because everyone's end has been predestined before they even existed.
Again, illogical. All men are judged, and those whose sins have not been paid for will suffer the consequences.
In either case the concept of sin, like prayer, and everything else we do, becomes meaningless because we are just puppets on the string...
It is only meaningless to you IF you are also God. Otherwise, you have a human experience like the rest of us. That is filled with the unknown, and everything we do is meaningful TO US. You will have to argue with God over whether His creation is meaningless if He already knows everything that is going to happen AND ordains it.
Then you do not believe that God is the cause of everything and all.
Your theology has man being in control
And your theology has God authoring sin. My theology is what Christianity believed all along.
Man's born nature is to sin against God. In addition, God's will includes man's sin
Man's nature is fallen. God did not create us that way. Humanity fell from grace because man chose to sin. It is a consequence of abused freedom. When we abuse freedom we lose it. Now we are not free but slaves to sin.
so it is not possible for man's nature to act outside God's will
God gave man freedom to choose. When one chooses, one can choose God or sin. If everything we do is God's will, then we have no will of our own and we are back to robots.
God saves the elect and the rest are reprobate
No, you mean God created some to be saved no matter what and others to perish no matter what. That is not the God that Christ came to reveal.
That's illogical. How does one flow from the other?
If God preordained those who will be saved and those who will perish before they even existed, then their sinning is only a charade, because the "reprobate" have been convicted before they sinned and the "saved" have been pardoned before they were born. Their actual acts of sin are irrelevant and do not affect the outcome.
Again, illogical. All men are judged, and those whose sins have not been paid for will suffer the consequences
Those whose sins have not been paid for were preordained for hell before humanity even happened, before they could sin, before crucifixion. Reformed theology makes the sacrifice on the Cross a "ritual" like some theatrical scene. The sins have been paid for or nor paid for before the foundation of the world, according to that theology. Everything has been decided and judged before the world even existed. That's why prayers are simply "obedience" show, since they change nothing in this mindset.
It is only meaningless to you IF you are also God. Otherwise, you have a human experience like the rest of us. That is filled with the unknown, and everything we do is meaningful TO US...
Oh, yeah the POV theology...right.