Posted on 07/22/2007 7:40:38 PM PDT by xzins
No, no, it wasn't meant to be a smear. You got it all wrong. Look, you said;
"Maybe the crack whore in your example was convinced that she's not on Calvin's list, so why bother trying to be good? Or maybe she was convinced that she IS on Calvin's list, so why bother to be good? Maybe your crack whore decided she's saved by faith alone, and so can so is free to engage in all the crackwhoring she wants."
"Most likely", your crack whore's behavior is the result of Calvin's shoddy doctrine
So all that I was trying to do was answer your maybes and most likely with the most logical and most reasonable answer under the circumstances i.e. a confession to a pedophile priest. That makes sense since under your scenario, she keeps on in her habitual sin.
Gotcha..
MY scenario?
LOL
Thanks . . .
Alas . . . I’m going to be my own deplored hit and run driver tonight . . .
more prep to do for the new semester at the college beginning on Monday.
But I had to throw in . . . welll . . . maybe 3 cents worth.
Thanks for your kind welcome.
Yes, and God is doing the leading. And He’s promised not to let go, even when I step on His toes. 8~)
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Thankfully, there is that.
“LOL”
I hope so. I bought a Power Ball ticket for tonight.
Many denominations are Arminian(works).. The Arminian vs Calvinists is another spirit war on FR..
Feel free to disagree. I won't equate your response to Stalin.
Most likely the crack whore’s behavior is the result of poor/or missing parenting. Human nature, according to scripture, is bent toward behavior that is fruit of a Sin nature, a nature Jesus was faithful even unto the death of the Cross to blot out for those who will elect to have His Grace. If the specific Saved were decided before the worlds began why would God tell us that ‘faithful is He that calleth you for He will also do it’, then tell us that ‘many are called but few are chosen’ because so few will let Him do it. If I look out at the street and see a car run a redlight and kill a dog, I’m not responsible for the dog’s death, I just witnessed it. My seeing the death in no way makes me responsible for the dogs choice of paths.
Here's a hint. I never called for either book to be banned, let alone burned.
Sunlight is a powerful disinfectant.
Well, what level of understanding do you require for Christian belief? That Jesus and the Spirit are God is evident enough from the scripture. Superficial reading reveals Christ as God. I was told about the Trinity before I believed, without figuring it out by myself, but so what? The perspicuity of scripture gives any reasonable reader enough to ask for salvation without teachers.
I don't see any trouble because I cannot recall the verse that says that satan is more powerful than God. While satan can outwit me alone, satan cannot snatch me out of God's hands.
Have you ever heard of Adam and Eve?
How do you figure satan snatched them out of God's hands? Think about it, the Fall was not at all permanent as to their eternity. If they were given by the Father, then they are in Heaven today. satan loses. They sinned, and they were punished. Same with us. If God moved them to later repent and accept God in a salvational sense, then they were saved. Same with us.
Presumably, if they had never sinned, then they would still be there today, waiting for an occasional visit by God. Would you rather want that or would you want to be in God's presence all the time in Heaven? It's a no brainer for me. :)
It is no wonder we have such a violent society, FK. It's based on the Protestant notion that no matter what one does, he is safe as long as you call on Jesus (it's that pecca fortiter again...).
LOL! That answer ranks the same to me as "IT'S BUSH'S FAULT!". For all intents and purposes, the ONLY people who believe in your view are Apostolics who accuse it of Protestants. If you really think that true believing Protestants think it's fine for them to commit murder because they are already forgiven for it, AND that the prevalence of this is bringing society as a whole down, then I will just have to leave you to this view. There is nothing I can say. We are laughing, though. :)
“My seeing the death in no way makes me responsible”
How about you know the bridge is out and stop in time and you see a car coming and it is obvious they are oblivious to the peril and you fail to warn them. Any responsibility?
The three personages of the Unity:
Who Raised Jesus From the Dead?
*GALATIANS 1:1 . . . God the Father, who raised him from the dead;) {cf. 1 Thess 1:10}
<>ROMANS 8:11 . . . the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, . . .
+JOHN 2:19 Jesus answered and said unto them, Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up.
What does the word "election" mean in Scripture? ("Election" is used six times in the Bible.)
One assumes you must have some understanding of the word "election" in order to dismiss the concept so quickly.
God not only made Adam in His own image (free to choose), He built into the spacetime universe of our perception the uncertainty principle which underlies all free choice positioning. In His sovereignty, He could have walked away from the Cross and right back to Heaven without dying. His faithfulness to His promises lead through the Cross to the Resurrection and our ability to choose His Grace over our fallen nature destiny. I won’t argue these points so have a nice evening.
Here's a hint: it bears little recognition to the UGLY, UNBIBLICAL distortions of Calvin.
I have been telling them this for the longest time Mark. If we are predetermined then prayers mean nothing; they are then only empty repetitions.
It never occurs to them to ask if the reprobate are also created in God's image, and if so why are they condemned for something they had no control over? It makes a mockery of God, it makes a mockery of our sin against God (because God orchestrates it), it makes Judas an innocent obedient servant of God who just got the "unlucky number" along with the Pharaoh and Lot's curious wife (talk about curiosity killed a wife!)...to name just a few.
It makes a mockery of man's fall and ultimately of Christ's own surfing and death. It was God (the Father) who arranged to have His son killed for his own glory...They can't even get their own name right: it's deformed not reformed.
It makes Adam and Eve God's sacrificial lambs, born and raised for slaughter. He makes them pristine and naive with the intent and knowledge that they will fail, because He created them to fail! He sets them up for a failure so that He can punish them and all subsequent generations until His own Son must die to satisfy God's offended (sic) ego. they just can never explain: Why would God ever be "offended" IF HE IS SOVEREIGN and IN CONTROL and nothing happens without His approval?
Ultimately they will tell you that God created evil because He created everything! They treat evil as "creation." This is what happens when a book that was not meant to be interpreted by every Dick and Jerry becomes every Dick's and Jerry's personal "God."
Oooh, you may have touched a raw nerve here...you may get the chance to meet that bunch too. It gets better, Mark.
One of them once wrote to me to be careful for hosepipe may not be mortal. Is that true Hose? You are immortal? If so, are you shackled in a body as a "punishment?"
Matthew 7:6
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