Posted on 07/22/2007 7:40:38 PM PDT by xzins
Persecution?.. Murder was not the RCC's only crimes..
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Calvin was a dark ugly soul. His vision of God is warped beyond recognition.
I realize your church has a long history of just making stuff up, but you should try to at least look like your beliefs are Scripturally-sound.
Linking The Protocols of Zion with Foxes Book of Martyrs is dishonest..
And probably EVIL.. Are you a liberal or democrat?..
Even the distorted poison called Calvinism.
“Any Calvinist isn’t saying the same thing.”
“The crack whore? I don’t know. But it’s up to me to try to get some information about God to her. That’s partly what I’m to be judged on.”
I submit then that you don’t understand Calvinism. As I said, any true Calvinist would agree with that statement. I am a Calvinist and I agree with the statement. Dr. E is a Calvinist who I’m sure would agree with the statement.
1 Cor. 3:6-7, “I have planted, Apollos watered; but God gave the increase. So then neither is he that planteth any thing, neither he that watereth; but God that giveth the increase.”
I disagree.
In my experience, His Authentic Sheep . . . KNOW HIM AND tend to know one another . . .
REGARDLESS OF ORGANIZATION; DOCTRINAL DISTINCTIVES; ECCLESIASTICAL PONTIFICATIONS; MAGICSTERICALS; TRADITIONS . . . whatever.
God often seems to . . . be messy.
Of course we have the Tabernacle in the wilderness and the Temple . . . very precise and absolute dimensions and directions. No doubt.
Yet, that is OT, fulfilled etc. . . . a type of the Heavenly pattern, model.
IN the New Testament . . . what a raucus group. Roman authoritarianism; slavery; mayhem often enough; grand-standing pontificators after their own power mongering etc. etc. etc.
THROUGH IT ALL . . . GOD HAD A PEOPLE WHO KNEW HIM AND EACH OTHER.
And, it wasn't because of a particular set of hoop jumping and absent foreskin inspections that resulted in that knowing.
Holy Spirit made the arrangements. Holy Spirit confirmed His operations and those who were Christ's authentically.
He's actually quite sufficient.
We are compelled in our fears and insecurities to always attempt to insist that it HAS TO BE
HOLY SPIRIT plus.
Whatever the "plus" is,
IS AN AFFRONT to HIM.
He's patient in our childishness most of the time. I think, perhaps, increasingly, less so because He knows what we have to be ready for.
But He's been managing people a lot longer than the distinctive MAGICSTERICALS have.
He also just happens to be better at it.
God forbid . . . the angel appears at the door--COME!
And the Believer begs . . . OH, DEAR! Wait--I have to phone the MAGICSTERICAL--they have to vet your command . . . oh, dear, I hope they are on speed-dial . . .
Or maybe the believer leaves immediately with the angel, wisely not hesitating to gather some knick nacks . . . only to travel 15 feet and pause, beg a delay--to turn and call their neighborhood representative of the MAGICSTERICAL. I wonder how many pillars of salt will result.
Cor. 3:6-7, “I have planted, Apollos watered; but God gave the increase. So then neither is he that planteth any thing, neither he that watereth; but God that giveth the increase.”
My point is that under a predeterministic belief, then there is no point to anything that I do or don’t do. The Calvin sermon couldn’t explain why anyone on the list, or off, should actually do anything other than what he or she wants. I’d challenge you to go back and read it yourself. He’s painted himself into a theological corner and cannot get out.
And nobody here has yet been able to explain it either.
No. No.
No. No.
Ah. Persecution.
I’d forgotten that when you attempt to save the souls of heretics and sinners, you have to be nice about it.
God bless them anyway.. Even so-called heretics are seeking god.. Even atheists are seeking god, that god being themselves.. No getting away from it.. Humans seek god even when they don’t want to.. An amazing little known or recognized fact.. What you sacrifice time, resources, or effort for, you worship.. or LOVE.. no matter how briefly..
= = =
INDEED.
EVERY GROUP OF MAN . . .
PARTICULARLY EVERY RELIGIOUS
GROUP OF MAN
has things worth less than spitting over.
. . . including demoniational large groups . . . and local congregations.
What does the word "election" mean in Scripture?
(I'm typing slower. Is it helping?)
Well if the raw will of God almighty will reign, maybe He’ll do something about strange and giant blue fonts.
God already has appeared to destroy the wisdom of some of the wise - witness many of the posts on this thread.
Seems our Catholic friends have given up any discussion of theology and instead have decided to make this thread into a Calvin/Luther bash fest.
Cest la vie.
Read it or not.. OTHERS WILL...
Easy to google up info on it on your own..
I'm not a Lutheran.. I think the Lutheran Church is not far from the RCC.. But I think Martin Luther deserves some respect.. as well as a few Popes..
God gave man a choice. If his choice is not free then it’s not a choice but a charade. Does God play charades?
God knocks on our hearts and we either go to Him or we don’t. The choice is ours, and the consequences are the result of our choice(s), and will be judged accordingly.
= = =
I forcefully agree.
“Calvin was a dark ugly soul. His vision of God is warped beyond recognition.”
Could be, could be. I never met the man. But if I remember correctly, Peter denied Christ at a crucial moment even after being warned, Paul made his “bones” persecuting and killing believers, so I guess God can use anyone to get His truth across, even a donkey or stones.
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