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To: Dr. Eckleburg

Cor. 3:6-7, “I have planted, Apollos watered; but God gave the increase. So then neither is he that planteth any thing, neither he that watereth; but God that giveth the increase.”

My point is that under a predeterministic belief, then there is no point to anything that I do or don’t do. The Calvin sermon couldn’t explain why anyone on the list, or off, should actually do anything other than what he or she wants. I’d challenge you to go back and read it yourself. He’s painted himself into a theological corner and cannot get out.

And nobody here has yet been able to explain it either.


2,870 posted on 08/18/2007 7:33:12 PM PDT by MarkBsnr (V. Angelus Domini nuntiavit Mariae. R. Et concepit de Spiritu Sancto.)
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To: MarkBsnr; blue-duncan
Again, we live according to the guidelines God set up in Scripture because that's what He told us to do.

If a person has been regenerated by God, then that person will want to obey God. He will sin less each day because God has turned his eyes from this world to the spiritual world.

None of your arguments is with Calvinists; it's with Scripture. You are given Scripture and you can't account for it. Pray for ears to hear.

"But after that the kindness and love of God our Saviour toward man appeared,

Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost;

Which he shed on us abundantly through Jesus Christ our Saviour;

That being justified by his grace, we should be made heirs according to the hope of eternal life." -- Titus 3:4-7


2,899 posted on 08/18/2007 7:54:32 PM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: MarkBsnr; Dr. Eckleburg
The Calvin sermon couldn’t explain why anyone on the list, or off, should actually do anything other than what he or she wants.

That's why Luther said he could commit 300 adulteries a day and God would forgive him (if he were elect). He's also famous for his related slogan pecca fortiter (sin boldly!). Don't worry, be happy! Do whatever you heart desires: you are either saved or damned; but you can't know, and can't do anything to change it so what the heck, do as many adulteries as you wish! (Deformed Homily)

2,947 posted on 08/18/2007 9:31:29 PM PDT by kosta50 (Eastern Orthodoxy is pure Christianity)
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