Pope says Protestants are on the Outside – Bible says Pope is on the Fringe

CrossActionNews ^ | Rev Michael Bresciani

[Victory111]

Pope Benedict XVI has drawn fire from Protestants worldwide for saying in early July of 2007, that they are not part of the “true church.” Protestants have weighed in and the response has included everything from disappointment to anger.

[kawaii]

Following the Pope’s remarks Dr. Gerald Kieschnick president of The Lutheran Church of the Missouri Synod said, that it was this kind of thinking in the Catholic papacy that precipitated the very 16th century reformation that produced reformers like Luther and Calvin. Dr. Kieschnick said “At that time, Martin Luther said ‘Popes and councils can err.’ Kieschnick said that this is still true today

To which Luther responded with 'Ever man should be free to err wildly all by himself', denounced the teaching of Christ that the Holy Spirit would always guide the church, and almost threw out the book of James.

[DungeonMaster]

The bible says nothing about the pope, that’s the whole point.

[kawaii]

No Catholic catechism class or message from Catholic pulpits ever contains reference to the hundreds of thousands of Protestants that were brutally hunted down and murdered by papal armies. Albigensis, Waldensis and others were slaughtered until nearly a half million of them had been martyred. In one night papal armies pulled 100,000 French Huguenots out of their homes and killed them.

Why would a lesson on church teaching represent late church action? Further do Protestant Catechisms defend the murderous acts of protestants during the same days? The Catholics killed at least as many Orthodox Christians, probably more, and they still decorate their churches with the booty but I've never pondered asking Catholics to put a footnote in their Cathecism about it...

I would be suprised if no Catholic has ever spoken against these actions either during a sermon or in an official document especially under JPII BTW.

[kawaii]

Given as much as protestants ignore what the Bible clearly states on Headcovering, the role of women in the church, and numerous actions expected by the faithful it seems odd that the protestants would refute the notion of Bishops, who are mentioned in the Bible btw.

I’d say the point is more that the Protestants have 1000s of recipes for Bible Translation, and they play Bible Buffet with the results.

[A.A. Cunningham]

The word “Bible”; Etymology: Middle English, from Old French, from Medieval Latin biblia, from Greek, plural of biblion book, diminutive of byblos papyrus, book, from Byblos, ancient Phoenician city from which papyrus was exported Date: 14th century, isn’t found in the Bible. Neither are the words Trinity or incarnation.

[Biggirl]

Let us remember what Jesus said to Peter, “You are Peter and on this ROCK I will build my church,” when we get into debates like this one.

What the Pope did clarifield the Church’s position after having it being watered down for years.

[MarkBsnr]

The Bible also doesn’t mention a whole bunch of things that Protestants cling to as well. Still worshiping on the first day of the week? Celebrate Christmas on Dec 25? Believe in the Trinity? Accept the Bible as the Word of God? Seems that you owe your allegiance to the One Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church of our Lord Jesus Christ.

C’mon over. However much you protest, the truth will set you free.

[MarkBsnr]

Aww, what a catchy term - Bible Buffet. And so descriptive, too.

Mind if I use it?

[Biggirl]

But the Trinity, while not directly mentioned, is said in the inderect, via the great commision of Mathew 28:19.

[RobbyS]

The Bible says nothing: it is words on the page. Those who believe in private interpretation think that when they open their mouths to say what the words mean, the Holy Ghost guyides them. To contradictory conclusions? Which Spirit is the real one?

[Iscool]

C’mon over. However much you protest, the truth will set you free.

Why would a Christian with a Bible who's promised eternal security want to join a new religion where no one has a clue whether they're going to heaven or not???

[kawaii]

knock yourself out...

[Iscool]

But the Trinity, while not directly mentioned, is said in the inderect, via the great commision of Mathew 28:19.

The concept of the Trinity is all over both Testaments...It's in the Bible...

The fact that it took your religion 300 years to find it, and then claim they discovered it doesn't mean much to a lot of us...

[GraniteStateConservative]

Heavily excerpted articles usually don’t get many responses.

[ichabod1]

Neither are the words Trinity or incarnation.

The word Incarnate most certainly is... check John 1.

The doctrine of the Trinity is from the plain teaching of the Gospels. The references to the Father and the Son are legion. Jesus says He will send another counselor, even the spirit of truth, the Paraclete, the Holy Spirit. So we didn't make up the Trinity, it's right there.

[MarkBsnr]

Ah, yes. The concept.

There are many concepts in the Bible. It is very instructive to discourse with those who spit on the idea of concepts - because it doesn’t say it expressly - except when it is attached to a pet theological point.

‘Tisn’t my religion. Jesus Christ set up His Church. I follow His Church, which came into being at the descent of the Holy Spirit upon the Apostles. I don’t follow man-made religions created by heretics and apostates; neither do I follow my own made-up on the spot religion.

[MarkBsnr]

Sigh. Sometimes I do.

[MarkBsnr]

New religion?

Ours was founded in 33 AD. When was yours founded?

[DungeonMaster]

Given as much as protestants ignore what the Bible clearly states on Headcovering, the role of women in the church, and numerous actions expected by the faithful it seems odd that the protestants would refute the notion of Bishops, who are mentioned in the Bible btw.

I’d say the point is more that the Protestants have 1000s of recipes for Bible Translation, and they play Bible Buffet with the results.

I stated that the bible doesn't mention the pope. Your response doesn't seem to deny that at all. You then group me with every ill studied non Catholic of every questionable "faith".. That would be the same as me saying that all Catholics behave the way some of those ill behaved priests behave around young boys. I'm not here to have that kind of a debate.

[DungeonMaster]

When I said “says nothing about” I was talking about the concept of, not the word.