Posted on 07/17/2007 2:05:50 PM PDT by baa39
Just got off the phone with Cardinal Roger Mahony. Below are my notes from the conversation. (snip) What about the charge that the problem is a lack of discipline and orthodoxy in the seminaries?
Well, first of all that's one of the things that we still are studying. As you know, the bishops are conducting a study of causes.... In our case, many of the priests came out of the "good old days" -- Latin-only, cassocks-only.... Most of our cases did not come out of post-Vatican II, they came out of pre-Vatican II.
Of course today, our screening process, our evaluation process, the fact that we take in older men, we don't take in guys out of high school or even grammar school -- it's a whole different frame of reference for the process of choosing seminarians. There's psychological evaluation, constant monitoring. We do everything we can to make sure that the people being ordained don't have a problem.
On why he didn't call the police when he learned of abuses:
Unfortunately, in those times we just didn't do that as readily, we didn't understand the depth of the problem.... The McMartin trial was first time in the state of California that this whole issue came into the spotlight, into the light of day...
(Excerpt) Read more at insidesocal.com ...
(Hope this isn't already posted, I rarely post, and didn't see it anywhere, but felt it was important and was encouraged by another Freeper to put it up). THANKS.
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I can’t verify this, it was a sound bite on the radio news. But I heard one of the plantifs in this case say “I love god, but I love myself more”. I about drove off the road.
As a Catholic myself, I get the idea that this guy is totally full of crap.
The fact he’s on committees in the US Catholic Bishops’ Council, the Marxist joint that’s selling regular American Catholics white guilt by the pound, doesn’t make me any more sympathetic.
I lived in Boston at the end of the Cardinal Law era. These cardinals had to know what was going on.
For those who do not know, despite this alleged man’s statement of sorry and contrition, he paid for lawyers who visited, in one example, the exwife and children of an accuser. The “investigators” asked the man’s exwife, in front of their children, about her exhusband’s allegations of sexual abuse at the hands of priests IN FRONT OF the children. Other such tactics by the lawyers and investigators of the archdiocese too did not seem to evince any real contrition.
Mahoney settled for $660 million against about 508 claimants, which is more than a million per claim.
The Boston mess had over 1000 claimants but a much lower total payout.
Why the difference?
Mahoney was afraid to testify at the trial that would have started yesterday, July 16. So he settled the weekend prior.
This is simply evil to point at anything or anyone else on his part.
Bishop Roger needs to retire to a monastery to repent of his sins. And the archdiocese can sell that huge white elephant cathedral of his downtown - the Taj Mahony - to cover the tab for all the abuse cases.
Enough already with this guy.
Another easy scapgoat.
Pre Vatican II? Yeah, meaning EVERY Bishop, Cardinal and Pope to this day. So it’s still a problem then.
The problem was that established hierarchy in the church wanted to only hush people up. When the victims families started to make a big stink, the Church just threw a couple million bucks at them to shut them up. The church promised the families that the offending priest would no long have contact with children. Of course the church lied and shipped the priest to another unsuspecting parish and allowed the priest to continue his diddling delights unabated.
Any cardinal who was a Bishop in the 70s, 80s, or 90s has knowingly allowed this to travesty to happen by aiding in the coverup. When Cardinal Roger Mahony’s speaks about the history of this subject, only lies come out.
And, unfortunately, no indication or mention of the fact that the majority of cases of abuse by priests were homosexual men committing acts against boys. Which should tie in with the whole “screening process” for priest candidates which he mentions. Officially, the Catholic Church has always banned homosexual priests. But it’s an open secret that there is a substantial minority of priests who are homosexual.
For the life of me, I can't imagine why anyone with an IQ over 38 would listen to a word this moron says.
From your original site I found one reply that I agree with:
“the overwhelming issue is homosexuals in the priesthood, not pedophilia!
Kenneth M. Fisher, Founder & Chairman, Concerned Roman Catholics of America,Inc”
The pre-Vatican II, Latin, cassocks, “good-old-days” comment seems to me a direct slam against Summorum Ponticicum. Obviously none of those things can be attributed to priests molesting boys. What is this obfuscation about “we’re studying it”? Allowing monasteries to become gay enclaves, almost with a San Francisco bathhouse atmosphere (I have this first-hand from a family friend who entered one seminary in the diocese in the ‘80’s), is a much bigger problem than a priest knowing Latin.
Mahony seems deliberately trying to undermine the Pope’s latest efforts, both at seminary reform AND allowing the extraordinary form of Mass. I can’t believe even Mahony is so brazen. How does he get away with this, decade after decade with no diminution in sight of his arrogant apostasy?
Usually I do not believe we should malign a bishop, but this is a case where the faithful must speak out in order to save the faith, and millions of souls in danger.
In some orders or seminaries, it is not a minority. I say some, obviously the bishops have great influence in their dioceses, as do religious provincials in theirs, and now there are pockets of both extremes.
I, and many others, probably wish that there was no Statute of Limitations regarding the abuse of children in institutions such as mine.
Priests have been perverts; but, I hear no mention of Brothers and Nuns. Why not? Of course in my childhood whoever heard of legal activation for us.
Cardinal Mahony the Phony gave away his true colors long before this when he had a three-year-old temper tantrum connected with Mother Angelica.
God love her and may EWTN be allowed to televise the TLM.
Where the molesters came from is irrelevant. What is disgusting is that the hierarchy knew about the abuse and for years did nothing, covered up, lied and intimidated victims.
Ma-HO-ney is a creep.
I agree that Mahoney should spent the rest of his days in a hair shirt in some desert monastery but as to selling the cathedral...who in the wrold would buy that monstrosity??? It's the ugliest building I've ever seen!
FYI, this posted later on the blog (Mahony tries to weasel out of his words and intimidate the reporter, who thankfully is more committed to the truth):
This from the Archdiocese ...
(Posted by Chris Weinkopf)
Tod Tamberg of the Archdiocese of Los Angeles has called, upset that I posted my interview with the cardinal from earlier today. He says the interview was meant to be purely for background in writing the Daily News’ editorial.
Suffice it to say, my memory of our conversation is different. I asked Tamberg if the interview would be “on the record,” and he said yes. Everyone in the biz — and Tamberg is an experienced PR guy — knows that means the comments are fair game. And if can quote from the interview, I see no reason why I can’t just quote the whole darn thing.
Still, I regret the misunderstanding, and my apologies to His Eminence if he was misinformed. Pax Christi.
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