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To: Fairview
There is a passage in the Catechism of the Catholic Church that does state that other non-Catholic Christians can be received into heaven; if prodded I could produce the citation. How is that to be reconciled with today’s statement? Is the Pope changing the Catechism?

Of course not. He is re-iterating that other denominations are not "churches" as the term is properly understood by Catholic teaching.

But don't ask the Pope. Ask the Protestants themselves. Do they believe that their denomination re-presents the Sacrifice of Calvary and, by doing so, that this Sacrifice acts as the chanalle by which saving grace enters into our moment in space and time?

No, they don't.

Catholics do. That is what a "church" is. That's why Protestants do not have "churches." Now individual Protestans may be saved, but that is because of the grace brought into the world through the Mass.

41 posted on 07/10/2007 9:10:52 AM PDT by SoothingDave
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To: SoothingDave
Individual Protestans may be saved, but that is because of the grace brought into the world through the Mass

Dude, you couldn't more off base with that statement. The Mass has nothing to do with my salvation.

72 posted on 07/10/2007 9:22:16 AM PDT by pctech
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To: SoothingDave

That’s why Protestants do not have “churches.” Now individual Protestans may be saved, but that is because of the grace brought into the world through the Mass.


I don’t belong to a church? lol
A Catholics Mass (works) has no power of salvation.
Salvation is by God’s grace through faith in Jesus Christ.


89 posted on 07/10/2007 9:32:48 AM PDT by Stark_GOP
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To: SoothingDave

“Now individual Protestans may be saved, but that is because of the grace brought into the world through the Mass.”

Are you on crack?

We have salvation because OF THE MASS? LOL.. Right.. You think God demands you perform a scripted ritual week after week in order to get his grace? As if His death on the cross wasn’t enough??? My God.. how offensive.

When you see Jesus and his wounds, tell him about your “mass”. Then ask the Pharisees how well God reacted to their scripts and rites.


148 posted on 07/10/2007 10:40:49 AM PDT by pacelvi
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To: SoothingDave

“Do they believe that their denomination re-presents the Sacrifice of Calvary and, by doing so, that this Sacrifice acts as the chanalle by which saving grace enters into our moment in space and time?

No, they don’t.”

Put in english; Do protestants believe that Jesus dies for our sins as well as yours?

Yes we do.


198 posted on 07/10/2007 11:37:50 AM PDT by Grunthor (Once a cobra bit Fred Thompsons' leg. After five days of excruciating pain, the cobra died.)
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To: SoothingDave
Ask the Protestants themselves. Do they believe that their denomination re-presents the Sacrifice of Calvary and, by doing so, that this Sacrifice acts as the chanalle by which saving grace enters into our moment in space and time? No, they don't.

You're a nice person but it is not accurate to categorize Protestants this way.
430 posted on 07/11/2007 8:10:54 AM PDT by secret garden (Dubiety reigns here)
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