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To: fortheDeclaration
The tribes are reunited under the Millennial reign of Christ and the land inheritances are given out.

This is the group belief you subscribe to. Nothing is said anywhere that will make that connection.

That is what Hosea is discussing when he talks about the Northern tribes being the 'sand of the sea', it will be during the Millennial reign and not before.

Hosea speaking of Israel being the "sands of the sea" would mean them being very numerous. This specification is fulfilled by the seed of Abraham being spread all over the Earth in vast numbers by centuries of offspring of those whose seed traced back to Abraham, which it certainly should have by this time.

The Millennial reign need have nothing to do with it. Neither you nor I have any knowledge of what the Millennium is or how it will come in nonsymbolic terms and what it will look like. All interpretation thereof are from pre conditioning into a belief system.

We know nothing. We theorize much. I think your vulnerability is believing the theory is proved and absolute truth, like evolutioners believe in macroevolution.

667 posted on 08/30/2007 12:16:56 PM PDT by William Terrell (Individuals can exist without government but government can't exist without individuals.)
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To: William Terrell

Jews are Jews
“Jews and Arabs are all really children of Abraham,” says Harry Ostrer, M.D., Director of the Human Genetics Program at New York University School of Medicine, an author of the new study by an international team of researchers in the United States, Europe, and Israel. “And all have preserved their Middle Eastern genetic roots over 4,000 years,” he says. The researchers analyzed the Y chromosome, which is usually passed unchanged from father to son, of more than 1,000 men worldwide. Throughout human history, alterations have occurred in the sequence of chemical bases that make up the DNA in this so-called male chromosome, leaving variations that can be pinpointed with modern genetic techniques. Related populations carry the same specific variations. In this way, scientists can track descendants of large populations and determine their common ancestors. Specific regions of the Y chromosome were analyzed in 1,371 men from 29 worldwide populations, including Jews and non-Jews from the Middle East, North Africa, sub-Saharan Africa, and Europe. The study, published in the June 6, 2000, issue of the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences (on-line May 9, 2000), found that Jewish men shared a common set of genetic signatures with non-Jews from the Middle East, including Palestinians, Syrians, and Lebanese, and these signatures diverged significantly from non-Jewish men outside of this region. Consequently, Jews and Arabs share a common ancestor and are more closely related to one another than to non-Jews from other areas of the world” (www.bibarch.com/News/News-Genetic-Brothers.htm). Regardless of how convincing the arguments of British Israelism and its kindred philosophies may sound, the pronouncements of God’s Word concerning the preservation of Israel still stand. See Jeremiah 31:35-37.

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674 posted on 08/31/2007 4:03:51 AM PDT by fortheDeclaration (We must beat the Democrats or the country will be ruined! - Lincoln)
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To: William Terrell
[The tribes are reunited under the Millennial reign of Christ and the land inheritances are given out.]

This is the group belief you subscribe to. Nothing is said anywhere that will make that connection.

Ofcourse there is, but you do not want to accept it.

[ That is what Hosea is discussing when he talks about the Northern tribes being the 'sand of the sea', it will be during the Millennial reign and not before. ]

Hosea speaking of Israel being the "sands of the sea" would mean them being very numerous. This specification is fulfilled by the seed of Abraham being spread all over the Earth in vast numbers by centuries of offspring of those whose seed traced back to Abraham, which it certainly should have by this time.

No, it is for a future event.

Ezekiel 37:16 Moreover, thou son of man, take thee one stick, and write upon it, For Judah, and for the children of Israel his companions: then take another stick, and write upon it, For Joseph, the stick of Ephraim, and for all the house of Israel his companions:

Ezekiel 37:17 And join them one to another into one stick; and they shall become one in thine hand.

Ezekiel 37:18 And when the children of thy people shall speak unto thee, saying, Wilt thou not shew us what thou meanest by these?

Ezekiel 37:19 Say unto them, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, I will take the stick of Joseph, which is in the hand of Ephraim, and the tribes of Israel his fellows, and will put them with him, even with the stick of Judah, and make them one stick, and they shall be one in mine hand.

Ezekiel 37:20 And the sticks whereon thou writest shall be in thine hand before their eyes.

Ezekiel 37:21 And say unto them, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, I will take the children of Israel from among the heathen, whither they be gone, and will gather them on every side, and bring them into their own land:

Ezekiel 37:22 And I will make them one nation in the land upon the mountains of Israel; and one king shall be king to them all: and they shall be no more two nations, neither shall they be divided into two kingdoms any more at all:

Ezekiel 37:23 Neither shall they defile themselves any more with their idols, nor with their detestable things, nor with any of their transgressions: but I will save them out of all their dwellingplaces, wherein they have sinned, and will cleanse them: so shall they be my people, and I will be their God.

Ezekiel 37:24 And David my servant shall be king over them; and they all shall have one shepherd: they shall also walk in my judgments, and observe my statutes, and do them.

Ezekiel 37:25 And they shall dwell in the land that I have given unto Jacob my servant, wherein your fathers have dwelt; and they shall dwell therein, even they, and their children, and their children's children for ever: and my servant David shall be their prince for ever.

Ezekiel 37:26 Moreover I will make a covenant of peace with them; it shall be an everlasting covenant with them: and I will place them, and multiply them, and will set my sanctuary in the midst of them for evermore.

Ezekiel 37:27 My tabernacle also shall be with them: yea, I will be their God, and they shall be my people.

Ezekiel 37:28 And the heathen shall know that I the LORD do sanctify Israel, when my sanctuary shall be in the midst of them for evermore.

Those events haven't happened yet, but they will, and that is what Hosea referring to, the reestablishment of the two Houses again as one unified Kingdom under their King, the Lord Jesus Christ, the Son of David (Ps.89).

The Millennial reign need have nothing to do with it. Neither you nor I have any knowledge of what the Millennium is or how it will come in nonsymbolic terms and what it will look like. All interpretation thereof are from pre conditioning into a belief system.

No, the Millennial reign is pretty clearly laid out in scripture in non-symbolic language.

The fact is that there will be no more wars (Isa.2), nature will lose is ferocity (Isa.11), there will be perfect enviroment so that death itself will be rare (Isa.65:20), just to name a few things that are clearly stated in scripture.

As for bad theology, I am sure that you even reject the doctrine of the Trinty.

We know nothing. We theorize much. I think your vulnerability is believing the theory is proved and absolute truth, like evolutioners believe in macroevolution.

No, I base my views on what the Bible actually says, not what I want it to say.

My views are absolute truth since they can be proven by scripture and supported by history.

It is you that takes the Evolutionist view of truth, that you start with the theory and then try to make the facts conform to them.

Your entire theory has no substantial historical evidence and you misread scripture, wresting it to make it fit what you want it to fit.

685 posted on 08/31/2007 4:34:27 PM PDT by fortheDeclaration (We must beat the Democrats or the country will be ruined! - Lincoln)
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