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To: William Terrell
[The tribes are reunited under the Millennial reign of Christ and the land inheritances are given out.]

This is the group belief you subscribe to. Nothing is said anywhere that will make that connection.

Ofcourse there is, but you do not want to accept it.

[ That is what Hosea is discussing when he talks about the Northern tribes being the 'sand of the sea', it will be during the Millennial reign and not before. ]

Hosea speaking of Israel being the "sands of the sea" would mean them being very numerous. This specification is fulfilled by the seed of Abraham being spread all over the Earth in vast numbers by centuries of offspring of those whose seed traced back to Abraham, which it certainly should have by this time.

No, it is for a future event.

Ezekiel 37:16 Moreover, thou son of man, take thee one stick, and write upon it, For Judah, and for the children of Israel his companions: then take another stick, and write upon it, For Joseph, the stick of Ephraim, and for all the house of Israel his companions:

Ezekiel 37:17 And join them one to another into one stick; and they shall become one in thine hand.

Ezekiel 37:18 And when the children of thy people shall speak unto thee, saying, Wilt thou not shew us what thou meanest by these?

Ezekiel 37:19 Say unto them, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, I will take the stick of Joseph, which is in the hand of Ephraim, and the tribes of Israel his fellows, and will put them with him, even with the stick of Judah, and make them one stick, and they shall be one in mine hand.

Ezekiel 37:20 And the sticks whereon thou writest shall be in thine hand before their eyes.

Ezekiel 37:21 And say unto them, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, I will take the children of Israel from among the heathen, whither they be gone, and will gather them on every side, and bring them into their own land:

Ezekiel 37:22 And I will make them one nation in the land upon the mountains of Israel; and one king shall be king to them all: and they shall be no more two nations, neither shall they be divided into two kingdoms any more at all:

Ezekiel 37:23 Neither shall they defile themselves any more with their idols, nor with their detestable things, nor with any of their transgressions: but I will save them out of all their dwellingplaces, wherein they have sinned, and will cleanse them: so shall they be my people, and I will be their God.

Ezekiel 37:24 And David my servant shall be king over them; and they all shall have one shepherd: they shall also walk in my judgments, and observe my statutes, and do them.

Ezekiel 37:25 And they shall dwell in the land that I have given unto Jacob my servant, wherein your fathers have dwelt; and they shall dwell therein, even they, and their children, and their children's children for ever: and my servant David shall be their prince for ever.

Ezekiel 37:26 Moreover I will make a covenant of peace with them; it shall be an everlasting covenant with them: and I will place them, and multiply them, and will set my sanctuary in the midst of them for evermore.

Ezekiel 37:27 My tabernacle also shall be with them: yea, I will be their God, and they shall be my people.

Ezekiel 37:28 And the heathen shall know that I the LORD do sanctify Israel, when my sanctuary shall be in the midst of them for evermore.

Those events haven't happened yet, but they will, and that is what Hosea referring to, the reestablishment of the two Houses again as one unified Kingdom under their King, the Lord Jesus Christ, the Son of David (Ps.89).

The Millennial reign need have nothing to do with it. Neither you nor I have any knowledge of what the Millennium is or how it will come in nonsymbolic terms and what it will look like. All interpretation thereof are from pre conditioning into a belief system.

No, the Millennial reign is pretty clearly laid out in scripture in non-symbolic language.

The fact is that there will be no more wars (Isa.2), nature will lose is ferocity (Isa.11), there will be perfect enviroment so that death itself will be rare (Isa.65:20), just to name a few things that are clearly stated in scripture.

As for bad theology, I am sure that you even reject the doctrine of the Trinty.

We know nothing. We theorize much. I think your vulnerability is believing the theory is proved and absolute truth, like evolutioners believe in macroevolution.

No, I base my views on what the Bible actually says, not what I want it to say.

My views are absolute truth since they can be proven by scripture and supported by history.

It is you that takes the Evolutionist view of truth, that you start with the theory and then try to make the facts conform to them.

Your entire theory has no substantial historical evidence and you misread scripture, wresting it to make it fit what you want it to fit.

685 posted on 08/31/2007 4:34:27 PM PDT by fortheDeclaration (We must beat the Democrats or the country will be ruined! - Lincoln)
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To: fortheDeclaration
Ofcourse there is, but you do not want to accept it.

If you had any non ambiguous evidence I may be more lenient. The tribes being united after the millennial reign of Christ is nowhere mentioned, even peripherally, in the prophecies themselves.

Ofcourse there is, but you do not want to accept it.

Of course it's a future event. You are moved to place it in the future you theorize it will be. It could be well be happening now, with American and many countries of Europe supporting, overtly and covertly, the Jews.

They have already been multiplied. Nothing in Ezekiel implies that this will happen ia the end of the world as we know it, with souls taking on the incorruptible from the corruptible.

The notion is not compatible with material realities. After the first death, there are no material bodies, therefore no material circumstances such as nations and manifestation of Earthly limitations such as benefiting all nations, possible.

Have you ever asked yourself, precisely what kind of Earthly reign will Christ will have? Through men? I don't think so, unless entire paradigms governing human beings have changed. If such paradigms have changed, then Hosea and Ezekiel's prophecies, and their material orientation, are moot.

No, the Millennial reign is pretty clearly laid out in scripture in non-symbolic language. The fact is that there will be no more wars (Isa.2), nature will lose is ferocity (Isa.11), there will be perfect enviroment so that death itself will be rare (Isa.65:20), just to name a few things that are clearly stated in scripture. As for bad theology, I am sure that you even reject the doctrine of the Trinty.

No, it's not.

Hosea and Ezekiel specifically prophecy a material effect of the reuniting of Israel and Judah. You are speaking of spiritual conditions, the faithful in spiritual, incorruptible bodies, and a reign overriding material paradigms.

The only sense the prophecies makes is that they will be fulfilled in order for Christ to return.

No, I base my views on what the Bible actually says, not what I want it to say. My views are absolute truth since they can be proven by scripture and supported by history. It is you that takes the Evolutionist view of truth, that you start with the theory and then try to make the facts conform to them. Your entire theory has no substantial historical evidence and you misread scripture, wresting it to make it fit what you want it to fit.

You base your views on your, and those of your sectarian beliefs, prior accepted belief about what will happen. Nobody knows what will happen, or how this will be played out. The Jews believed the Messiah's coming would be just so, and missed the real coming of Him because that event did not conform to their beliefs. You are in the same fix.

710 posted on 09/06/2007 5:45:04 PM PDT by William Terrell (Individuals can exist without government but government can't exist without individuals.)
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