It is my opinion that the American Indoctrinated Church crucifies the Truth of the Lord everyday. It is also my opinion that the lost tribes of Israel are todays so called Christians who are also lost. We are the sons and daughters of Abraham just as the Israelites, Jews and do not forget the Muslims. Will we ever get it together? Not in our lifetimes nor in a millennial lifetime. We are saved through the passion of Jesus Christ because he loves us all. We will live with God for a thousand years but a thousand years is as one day to God. So on that day we will be together with him for -e. The millennium would have taken place if we all had not crucified Jesus. This arguing and bickering and Preaching a Pre-tribulation Rapture absolutely weakens the body of Christ as exhorted by Paul in his 2d letter to Timothy and I paraphrase Chap 2; Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him, that ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as the day of Christ is at hand. LET NO MAN DECEIVE YOU BY ANY MEANS: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition; Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God...shewing himself that he is God...for the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way. (I think this is the restrainer who may or may not be evil but definitely not Michael. I personally know Michael and he is not taken away from anything...he's very strong and a heads-up player, and in fact, is presently kicking Satans ass out of heaven that is why we need to be dealing now!!!!). Verse 8: And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming: Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders (such as a pretrib rapture), and with all dissemblance of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved. And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion that they should believe a lie: (such as a pretrib rapture) that they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness...Therefore, brethren, stand fast, and hold the TRADITIONS WHICH YE HAVE BEEN TAUGHT whether by word or our epistle.(not by some Scofieldian or Weslyan from the 19th century or by the new age fellowship, charasmatic, and/or evangelical churches of the 20th century). NOW!!! by our Lord Jesus Christ himself, and God, even our Father, which hath loved us, and hath given us everlasting consolation and good hope through grace, comfort your hearts, and stablish you in every good word and work.
And that is all I have to say about that.
You have proved nothing. And your statement about Michael is idiotic. You have not demonstrated how teaching a Pre-trib rapture weakens the Church at all. And your railing against Christians is vacuous!
The only thing you are demonstrating is that you understand neither the Bible, nor theology.
I believe that preaching a pre-tribulation rapture weakens the body in two ways: First, it conditions a group of Christians to believe they will be spared from trials along with everyone else so they don’t prepare. Second, if it does not happen, it will shake the testimonies of those who did believe they would be raptured prior to trials. But I consider these errors in interpreting scriptures not, as you seem to indicate, evidence of evil.
I believe we are the children of Abraham but remember, only through Isaac is the seed called.
The millennium would have taken place if we all had not crucified Jesus.
I believe the Bible states that the millennium will begin at His 2nd. coming. Why do you think it would have taken place if Jesus had not been crucified? Is that not what He came to earth for - to die for our sins?
I agree with you that rapture is part of the deception of end times and it will deceive many.
only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way. (I think this is the restrainer who may or may not be evil but definitely not Michael.
"Letteth" is a transitive verb (no noun present to make it carry), so it has to go back to who is being discussed - Satan. "Letteth" means to hold on to and the one doing that is Michael (not the church, as some teach). We are told that in Rev. 12:7:
And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels, (8) And prevailed not, neither was their place found any more in heaven.
It is also my opinion that the lost tribes of Israel are todays so called Christians who are also lost.
I agree. They aren't lost to God but they don't realize where they came from. Most don't know their genealogy past their great grandparents.
I’d be careful about supposing that you know any of the Bodiless Powers personally—there is a sin, often forgotten in the West, called prelest, or spiritual delusion. I’m not saying you have fallen into it, but be very careful.
As to the identity of the one who restrains, the Church (and readers of the religion forum know that by that I mean what is commonly called the (Eastern) Orthodox Church, but which is properly the One, Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church, claims to the title ‘Catholic’ by the Latins notwithstanding) has always identified the one who restrains with the Christian Emperor, who was ‘set aside’ in 1917 with the abdication of the last Tsar.
Thanks for the ping back to this thread.
I thought it had died down weeks ago.
Grant, is that you?